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Why Palin shouldn't run in 2012 ** John Ziegler (The math behind a Palin Victory!)
Daily Caller ^ | 3-10-10 | John Ziegler

Posted on 03/11/2010 12:56:52 PM PST by Joy Angela

Why Palin shouldn’t run in 2012

By John Ziegler   03/10/10 at 12:00 AM

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Last week I made a rare appearance on MSNBC (a network on which I have had numerous “YouTube moments” since the 2008 election, when they became the “Obama Network”) and shared some statements which apparently shocked some of my fellow conservatives.

Since even before the release of my documentary about the media coverage of Obama’s election, I have been described by many commentators (both as a compliment and as a condemnation) as Sarah Palin’s most ardent defender against the never-ending stream of unfair media attacks against her. What seemed to surprise people on both ends of the political spectrum was my assertion on “Morning Joe” that, based on her current path, and barring a literal act of God, there is absolutely no chance that Palin can beat Obama in 2012.

Since the television appearance was barely five minutes long and my view of this important subject is far more nuanced than can possibly be articulated in the microwave world of cable TV “news” (or even a later radio interview I did with host Joe Scarborough about this subject), I wish to fully explain my thinking so that any confusion about where I stand may be as limited as possible.

First, the reason I went on MSNBC is that Joe Scarborough and I have had a running (and sometimes rather pointed) e-mail exchange about his coverage of Sarah Palin which was escalated when his show did a seemingly endless segment on how intellectually deficient she supposedly is. Joe has offered me an open invitation to “debate” that and other issues related to Palin when I am next in New York where his show is broadcast. Since Palin was on the “Tonight Show” last week and because I live in Burbank, we decided the occasion might make for a good opportunity to do a quick “preview” of coming attractions. I also made it clear to him that there was something about Palin that I have wanted to get off my chest for several weeks. This was the issue of what her intent and potential is for the 2012 presidential race.

When I first met Palin at her home in early 2009, after our interview for my documentary we had a rather lengthy conversation, which of course eventually turned to her political future. Unsolicited, I offered my very strong opinion that, thanks to the media’s worship of Obama and their unfair destruction of her, that I thought it would be foolhardy for her to even consider running against him in 2012. My advice at the time was for her to run for Senate in 2014 and run in 2016 for President when presumably there will be no incumbent running and when the narrative about her (thanks to the media’s love of a good “comeback”) would likely be vastly more positive than in 2012. Palin was clearly listening intently but said almost nothing in response. Those who witnessed the conversation said she did not seem to like what she was hearing.

However, after the remarkable success of her book and the incredible decline in Obama’s political popularity, I started to think that, with any luck, Palin could win the Republican nomination and that she would at least have a shot against The One, assuming the economy didn’t significantly improve. But now I am thoroughly convinced that while Obama is somewhat vulnerable (if the economy improves, he wins big, if it stays the same, he wins very small, if it gets worse, he loses big), Sarah Palin has less of a chance to beat him than just about anyone else who is currently considered in contention.

The reasons I have come to this painful conclusion are numerous.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; johnziegler; moresarahfun; palin; palin2012; palinmccain2012; rinolovfest; sarahpalin; tonightshow; ziegler; ziegler4romney
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To: CAluvdubya

I know that she quit her office, went home and wrote a book then got a TV gig. It is an Alaskan freeper who wrote that the state is in worse shape now, not I. Some here twist that to a positive for Palin. I see it differently.


161 posted on 03/11/2010 6:07:01 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911
It is an Alaskan freeper who wrote that the state is in worse shape now, not I.

I said not a word about that in my response to you....but nice diversion, though.

162 posted on 03/11/2010 6:10:49 PM PST by CAluvdubya (We need a Commander-in-Chief, not a professor of Law standing at a lectern-Palin 2010)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
To 146 - And in the future when Palin and Ziegler are brought together again, for whatever reason, he will again be a 'good guy", as he 'used to be' when he produced Media Malpractice.
You fecking people are insane.
163 posted on 03/11/2010 6:58:13 PM PST by jla
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To: wtc911

I guess I should have said that Palin cleaned up all the corruption in Ak; especially within the Repub Party. Big oil, The good ole boy Repub network, and all the crooked hangers on were all terrified of Palin. From what I see, now that Palin isn’t there to keep them honest; they figure it’s back to the same old game. I wish Palin was still our governor.


164 posted on 03/11/2010 7:23:53 PM PST by Eska
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To: wtc911
” an Alaskan freeper who wrote that the state is in worse shape now”

Pssssssst... everywhere is in worse shape now.

LLS

165 posted on 03/11/2010 7:27:01 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Wolverine)
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To: Joy Angela

Basically he is saying she is unfit because she resigned the Governors office and the media has successfully trashed her with the, “independents”.


166 posted on 03/11/2010 7:34:39 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Zealous Zeigler’s Zip’s Zopen


167 posted on 03/11/2010 8:11:46 PM PST by MadAboutPalin (You betcha)
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To: DoughtyOne
What Ziegler also fails to address, is who do we run if not Palin?

That seems to be a common failure, here too. And it's called baiting to ask such a question.

Go figure.

168 posted on 03/11/2010 8:12:03 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: jla
To 146 - And in the future when Palin and Ziegler are brought together again, for whatever reason, he will again be a 'good guy", as he 'used to be' when he produced Media Malpractice. You fecking people are insane

I thought Ziegler acted like a nut in his "Unfairly Arrested" youTube video.

Was I supposed to like him then?

Maybe I missed the memo.

169 posted on 03/11/2010 8:20:08 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: editor-surveyor
Let me revise that. Was Clinton widely known when the primary season started in 1992? Was Kerry in 2006?

The answer is "no" and "no."

170 posted on 03/11/2010 9:26:28 PM PST by curiosity
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To: DoughtyOne
What Ziegler also fails to address, is who do we run if not Palin?

I'm a bit of a Mitch Daniels fan, myself. Though it's too early right now to definitively endorse anyone, yet. Still, Daniels looks like just the sort of guy we need!

171 posted on 03/11/2010 9:28:46 PM PST by curiosity
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To: FreeReign
That seems to be a common failure, here too. And it's called baiting to ask such a question.

Check out Mitch Daniels. It's still way too early to get behind anyone definitively, but I really like what I see when I look into this guy and his record. Definitely seems like presidential material to me.

172 posted on 03/11/2010 9:30:24 PM PST by curiosity
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To: FreeReign; jla
I thought Ziegler acted like a nut in his "Unfairly Arrested" youTube video.

He did act like a nut. He frequently goes over the edge when there is a TV camera or microphone present. However, this article shows that he has a sane side. People who this as an anti-Palin article are not thinking things through.

173 posted on 03/11/2010 9:54:20 PM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: FreeReign
Nice deflection. Was he 'acting like a nut' with Media Malpractice too?

Now kneel, and kiss the shoes.


174 posted on 03/11/2010 10:18:29 PM PST by jla
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To: jla

I’m sorry, but Ziegler lost me when he quoted that “70% poll” which has clearly been shown to be trash. A week later, a Public Policy Poll had her losing to Obama 48 to 43%. Definitely, a close margin.

I believe he is a Palin fan, but I think his logic is faulty.


175 posted on 03/11/2010 10:27:00 PM PST by nowheretohide
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To: nowheretohide

No one is asserting the accuracy or inaccuracy of his opinions, only that they are valid and shouldn’t be scoffed at out of hand. I happen to have had the same reaction as you regarding the 70% negative/not sure about Palin. But I cannot disprove it.


176 posted on 03/11/2010 11:20:47 PM PST by jla
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To: jla
STFU you backstabber!

I don't have anything else to say to you.

177 posted on 03/12/2010 3:33:41 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Sarah is very media savvy..her forthcoming Alaska documentary series will endear her to many more ‘undecideds’..don’t underestimate this woman!


178 posted on 03/12/2010 4:36:52 AM PST by Flyover027
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Silence!
Now kneel, and kiss the shoes.


179 posted on 03/12/2010 4:39:19 AM PST by jla (http://blogpimpin.blogspot.com/)
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To: Brices Crossroads
BTW, Ziegler himself is an atheist, who is hostile to organized religion, according to wiki

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Using wikipedia as a source....why am I not surprised...

180 posted on 03/12/2010 4:43:03 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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