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Arizona: The Surveillance State
FoxNews via CDS ^ | 3/4/2010 | Douglas Kennedy

Posted on 03/04/2010 9:21:38 AM PST by ezfindit

For years Arizona has been known as the “sunset state,” but lately some residents simply call it the “surveillance state.” “They track us everywhere we go,” says Phoenix resident Shawn Dow. “It’s unbelievable. I can’t go anywhere and not have a camera tracking me.”

Dow is now trying to change all that with a ballot initiative this November that would ban all ticket cameras in Arizona. “I’m tired of being constantly watched,” he said. We’re all being tracked like cattle.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arizona; lping; policestate; surveillance; trafficcameras
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A police state in the making...
1 posted on 03/04/2010 9:21:38 AM PST by ezfindit
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To: ezfindit

Actually those cameras are going bankrupt. Because it turns out that unless the ticket is presented in person by a representative of the court within 90s the ticketed person is under no obligation to pay. And as more and more Arizonans learn this the camera program is losing more and more money.


2 posted on 03/04/2010 9:23:05 AM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: discostu

I used to live there. It was always about generating money for the cities that use them. It was absolutely insane the amount of cameras they had on the friggin highways.


3 posted on 03/04/2010 9:25:53 AM PST by cups
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To: discostu
Is that because of an Arizona law that requires traffic tickets to be presented at the time of the offense?

I think the post is about the bigger issue of security cameras all over the place, not just for traffic tickets.

4 posted on 03/04/2010 9:25:54 AM PST by Defiant (To bring down a great nation, work to take away everything that has made it great.)
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To: ezfindit

Washington DC has about 6,000 police surveillance cameras in place (I don’t know how many private ones). Moscow has 80,000.


5 posted on 03/04/2010 9:26:26 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: Defiant

The law says the tickets have to be presented in person within 90 days, but the tickets are almost never presented in person, they’re mailed. The mailed tickets are completely non-binding so nobody pays. Of course there is a gotcha in that if they bring you the ticket by hand they add a surcharge for the court representative. The post is about the ticket cameras.


6 posted on 03/04/2010 9:29:24 AM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: discostu

I just drove through Arizona last week. Every ticket cam I saw (and I saw a lot), permanent or portable, also had signs giving plenty of warning they were there. May as well have a sign on the road saying “speed trap ahead”.

No wonder they are losing money.


7 posted on 03/04/2010 9:29:38 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: All

I hope they win in AZ, and move that initiative next door here to CA!


8 posted on 03/04/2010 9:29:53 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: ezfindit

9 posted on 03/04/2010 9:30:44 AM PST by Rodebrecht (No army can stop an idea whose time has come.)
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To: cups

Pretty much all traffic laws, and methods of enforcing them, are about revenue.


10 posted on 03/04/2010 9:31:10 AM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: discostu

Cameras for traffic control in AZ were always for generating money: revenue to the state and profit to the foreign company that installs and calibrates them. Studies do not support safer highways now that the cameras are here.

Driving the freeway system of PHX makes you feel that BigBrother is watching, because he is. The cameras are universally disliked, except by rabid liberals.

This measure will pass.


11 posted on 03/04/2010 9:33:30 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: Domandred

Yeah that’s another piece of fun that managed to get snuck into the law. You’d be surprised how often people still blow it though.


12 posted on 03/04/2010 9:34:55 AM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: ezfindit; Travis McGee

They want to track you by cell phone and log every website you visit....


13 posted on 03/04/2010 9:40:09 AM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: ezfindit
There's a gorilla driving around Phoenix. The cameras caught him at several places on I-10 and I-17.

People are really getting fed-up with bureaucratic BS in AZ.

14 posted on 03/04/2010 9:41:45 AM PST by ARridgerunner
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15 posted on 03/04/2010 9:43:51 AM PST by envisio
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To: discostu

So, in Arizona, no one ever answers the door?


16 posted on 03/04/2010 9:53:46 AM PST by Defiant (To bring down a great nation, work to take away everything that has made it great.)
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To: Defiant

They’re just not sending people. The mail the vast majority of the photoradar tickets and we throw them out without paying.


17 posted on 03/04/2010 9:57:42 AM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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18 posted on 03/04/2010 10:04:22 AM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: Defiant; discostu
I think the post is about the bigger issue of security cameras all over the place, not just for traffic tickets.

Bingo. One tid-bit I'm aware of is that there are cameras in the parking lots at ASU. They are set up to scan for license plates. The PD at ASU can and does routinely enter license plate BOLO information into a database and uses the parking lot cameras to scan for vehicles of interest.

19 posted on 03/04/2010 10:05:01 AM PST by HiJinx (Don't squat with yer' spurs on, a'ight?)
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