Posted on 03/02/2010 7:49:36 AM PST by chatter4
I challenge anyone and everyone provide proof that Obama received the Certification of Live Birth, which is dated June 2007, and posted online, from the Hawaii Health Department. Show me one statment, by any official of the State of Hawaii, Department of Health, made prior to today's date, where they claimed that they provided this document to Obama.
So many people say that Obama is a citizen-that they have seen his Birth Certificate-but all they have seen is a picture or a computer image. We all see movies everyday where computer graphics are used, the images aren't real. Surely if this document is real, then those who made it, would say so.
If I'm only a "kook" and this is only a conspiracy theory, surely, you can easily prove me wrong. Deal with it, show me the proof. Provide one statement, in which an official of the State of Hawaii, Department of Health, said that they provided the Certification of Live Birth, which is dated June 6, 2007 or it's image to Obama.
IBTZ
Oh sorry...........my mind wandered ;-)
Waiting for the trolls to get the signal to disrupt another eligibility thread.... 3,2,1...
Occam’s razor would force us to believe that since he’s hiding his birth certificate then there most be a good reason for it.
I AM ALL FOR KEEPING THIS ALIVE
IF NOTHING MORE THAN TO DISTRACT HIM
MAYBE DEMOCRAPS SCARED OF LOISING THEIR SEATS WILL COME ONBOARD
FOR THE RECORD- I THINK THE EVIDENCE SO FAR INDICATES HE WAS BORN IN KENYA AND LATER BECAME AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN
AND HE LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE FRANK MARSHAL AND NOTHING LIKE B OBAMA SENIOR
At some point, this really needs to be settled for once and for all, because if he ISN’T eligible, and he completes his term, and it’s found out later, it sets a terrible precedence! “Oh, birth certificate? You don’t need that to be president...”
Non troll yawn.
The “Certificate of Live Birth” and a “Birth Certificate” are two different documents. The COLB can be obtained at any age and no matter what country or when you were born...
The birth certificate is documented at birth by the doctor and the facility where the actual birth took place...It is only done AT THE TIME AND PLACE OF BIRTH....
hawaii issued the COLB for Obama upon request....only means he is an actual person and was born....somewhere...
He has NOT shown a birth certicficate....
My opinion is that he hasn’t got a birth certificate...he could’ve been born in a mud hut somewhere in Kenya with a midwife and a witch doctor shaking bones over him....
My prediction:
No one will be able to prove you wrong so they’ll call you names.
Or say we have more important things to worry about.
Or say you’re making conservatives look bad.
But prove you wrong? It won’t happen.
Truth Troll Parsifal to your rescue! All this one needs is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_DEtfvv9MU
parsy, who loves the Ed Wood aspect of the Birthers
The conspiracy is actually on the part of those who feel that “it isn’t important.” The man is or he isn’t and so far he has yet to prove he is.
If Barry O. doesn’t have a Birth Certificate, then he is liar and a fraud.
He most certainly has the one found among his mother’s belongings, upon her death in 1995.
It must be important to him for his feelings of personal identify and that of a boy who never really knew his father.
He even waxed on about it in his book “Dreams of Father”.
FREE THE LONG FORM!!!
Unfortunately, no one is obliged to prove it. He is our president until and unless someone presents documentary evidence to prove the contrary. And no one has.
That’s the way the system works.
You are right. Hawaii won’t release a public version of the COLB for Obama. Obama won’t sign for it. Why? It’s already been published on the internet.
Hawaii release Obama’s short form COLB. It’s already public information. Could it be that a COLB from Hawaii would be very different and thus expose the fraud?
Not only can’t we get the long form version but Hawaii won’t release what the supposed public short form version.
I don’t have it on hand but didn’t Polarik’s report include an exchange with the head of the DOH who told him he did NOT certify the COLB issued on June 7, 2007?
I would yawn, but these people are fascinating:
http://www.ukskeptics.com/article.php?dir=articles&article=what_are_conspiracy_theories.php
Some common characteristics of paranoid conspiracy theorists include:
* They assume that they are right.
PCTs assume that their beliefs are correct and that those who don’t see things the way they do have been duped or that they need to open their minds.
This stance is an argument from ignorance (see: argumentum ad ignorantiam). They place the burden of proof firmly on their opponents; whose position is wrongly assumed to be to disprove the theories. In fact the PCTs’ position does not change even if their theories are disproved: there’s always a way of reaffirming their position.
There is usually little or no real evidence to back their theories. Instead, PCTs rely on retrospective analysis: logic and reason don’t matter; everything can be twisted to fit the plot. Events are simply interpreted to match the theory.
* Their theories cannot be challenged.
PCTs do not treat their theories the way a historian or scientist treats theirs, which is to welcome challenges to their theory which will either strengthen it or refute/amend it.
PCTs vehemently oppose any challenges to their theories. The first line of defence is to issue personal attacks (see: ad hominem) against their opponents. These are generally in the form of ridicule; their opponents not having the ability to see “the real truth”.
The theories of PCTs are often unfalsifiable, such as: UFOs exist but the government is suppressing the evidence. Any counter-argument citing an official source is instantly dismissed, and any real evidence that refutes their claims is classed as contrived or planted by those “powers that be” who are out to fool us.
* Any evidence will do.
Any evidence that lends credence to their theories will be uncritically accepted as truth. Any evidence that opposes their theories is dismissed out of hand. The quality of evidence is not important as long as it supports the conspiracy theory.
A recent example (November 2004) is a letter that a certain Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories, USA (a highly respected company) sent to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) which has been used by PCTs to add credence to the claim that the twin towers were brought down in controlled explosions by the US government.
(see: http://www.septembereleventh.org/newsarchive/2004-11-11-ryan.php).
We contacted Underwriters Laboratories for a comment and received this response:
UL comments. (PDF 77k - will open in a new window)
We also received a copy of the NIST statement:
NIST statement. (PDF 79k - will open in a new window)
One simple email to the company concerned discredits the source of the letter, yet it will no doubt be used as “evidence” for years to come by PCTs who find no need to check out a source as long as the message fits the theory.
This willingness to accept any source of information that fits the theory inevitably leads to an abundance of misinformation surrounding events.
Paranoid conspiracy theories are very appealing to the uncritical or unstable mind. Those who are fantasy-prone, irrational thinkers, and those who may have psychological problems: paranoia, delusional disorder for example, can quickly get suckered into a strange world of fantasy and/or fear.
Delusional disorder (grandiose) shows up as: an exaggerated idea of identity; knowledge; power; self-worth and importance; a special relationship to God or someone famous; the belief in having a special mission. Many PCTs exhibit these characteristics.
Once critical thinking is applied, and a search for real evidence is sought, these extreme conspiracy theories are found to lack any credibility: they look like badly written science-fiction. In fact many of the leading proponents of these conspiracy theories, such as David Icke, are prolific authors: their books being classed under science-ficton or religion and spirituality.
Paranoid conspiracy theories are a prime example of irrational thinking.
parsy, who watches with morbid curiosity...
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