Posted on 02/23/2010 6:18:36 AM PST by AIM Freeper
California Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) chairman Ryan Sorba generated a media controversy when he was shown at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) denouncing the organizers for inviting a homosexual Republican group, GOProud, into the event as an official sponsor. In "controversial" remarks, Sorba said homosexuality was unnatural and that he welcomed more debate and discussion about the subject from his political adversaries.
But what many people don't realize is that Sorba's "outburst" was provoked by a speaker who preceded him, Alexander McCobin of Students For Liberty (SFL). McCobin went out of his way to use valuable time from the podium to thank the American Conservative Union, the main CPAC organizer, for making the controversial decision to approve GOProud's participation.
David Keene, a lobbyist, is the chairman of the ACU and personally approved GOProud's involvement in CPAC.
Sorba told AIM, "I think CPAC went overboard this year. I don't think he [Keene] should be sitting at the top of CPAC." He noted that CPAC over the last several years has also allowed groups such as the ACLU to have exhibits at the event.
"What's next?," Sorba asked. "Are they going to have Republicans for Obamacare? Republicans for free abortions?"
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“There are a lot more religious men (nuts?) fighting for you right now in Afghanistan than gays, trust me.”
I have 4 family members in the military. None of them or anybody they know practices religious intolerance.
“Bible - Genesis ch. 19”
I’m not religious.
Panzer, I’ve tried to have talks with him about it, but he’s not going to sit for someone who wants to preach to him about the everlasting. He’s obviously set in his ways and content with burning in Hell or simply living one life.
This entire discussion is framed under Christianity. How about Buddhism? What if he believes that he’ll be reincarnated?
My problem here is that so many Christians preach their way as the only way, but are we all so blind to realize that Christianity isn’t the only religion in the world? I don’t preach my beliefs, because I live by my conviction that everyone has a RIGHT to live their life however he or she chooses. My cousin is gay, oh well.
I would have very powerful arguments with him if he was in my face with a militant homosexual attitude, but he’s not. He’s indicated to me that he’s as conservative as I am, regardless of who he chooses to live his life with.
I can play this game too, sir... entertain me. How about writing out more than a throwaway comment? Provide me with a logical proof as to why my statement was stupid, and my respect for you will go up. Otherwise, you’re simply arguing from a shaky platform.
Today, unfortunately, the Ten Commandments have been replaced with what Alan Wolfe refers to as America’s Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not judge. William Bennett notes that “if they will not judge, they can be rightly suspected of being without convictions.”[3]
Scripture is frequently misinterpreted for selfish ends. For example, God’s mercy and forgiveness is often emphasized by some to mean that God will not punish. As William Bennett observes, “The attempt to use God’s forgiveness as a pretext to excuse moral wrong is a dangerous (and old) heresy known as antinomianism—literally ‘against the law.’”
Those without convictions proclaim a mistaken notion of tolerance:
“But ‘tolerance’ can be a genuinely harmful force when it becomes a euphemism for moral exhaustion and a rigid or indifferent neutrality in response to every great moral issue—when, in G.K. Chesterton’s phrase, it becomes the virtue of people who do not believe in anything.”[4]
Withholding charitable correction when called to do so is plainly against Jesus’ teaching, and against the love of neighbor. St. Thomas writes, “The greatest kindness one can render to any man consists in leading him from error to truth.” Fraternal correction is a loving act, because it seeks to help our brothers and sisters attain their greatest good and happiness, God in Heaven.
Our Lady of the Roses precisely echoes the Church’s teaching in Her message:
“I ask you not to remain silent when you meet with wrongdoing, but to speak out and act to correct a situation that is offensive to your God and destructive to your soul.” (Our Lady, November 20, 1979)
“Trust me, I’m not permissive of his sexual practices, but he’s also an incredibly private person. If you didn’t see him with his partner, you wouldn’t know he was gay. He doesn’t push an agenda. He’s on our side. You would want him in your foxhole with you. He would jump on a grenade to save your life.”
“Exceptional religious intolerance is exactly that: intolerance. As a Conservative, I would rather have a homosexual conservative fighting for me than a religious nut.”
Our country was created for a people with deep moral values as stated by several of our founders. Or as you liked to call them people with “Exceptional religious intolerance”.
Homosexual’s by definition cannot be conservative’s that support the founding principals of our country. Homosexuals are sick. If you take the time to read the DSM IV you will notice that ALL or most personally disorders have as a common trait “gender confusion”, which means a person who has sex with members of the same sex. In the DSM III homosexuals were classified as a disorder unto itself. But once the homosexuals infiltrated the group of doctors they changed the rules.
When all is said and done a republican homosexual will supprt the liberal agenda due to the very fact that it supports their homosexual agenda.
Homosexually is a SIN.
And BTW- Jesus was a man who practiced “exceptional religious intolerance”.
He said to love one another, not make love to one another. So, do you think that male pedophiles should also tolorated after all they are part of the homosexual movement and seek equal rights.
“I’m not religious.”
That’s okay. Go read it. Good illustration of what happens when the “gay agenda” take over.
“I have 4 family members in the military. None of them or anybody they know practices religious intolerance.”
This is not about intolerance of other religions.
Very well stated. If anything you have stiffened my resolve against homosexuality. It’s not my rules. It’s the Creator of the universe’s rules. Homosexuality is condemned so clearly and often in the Bible that there should be no debate about it. The surrender to homosexual practices will almost alway doom your moral perspective in other areas as well. I will always state that homosexuality is not the “sin unto death” There is redemption for anyone who accepts Christ and makes Him the center of their life.
*sigh*
Really? Are you going to dig this up again? What part of "I don't support the homosexual agenda" wasn't clear? I don't think I need to qualify another unwarranted statement with a response. I've stated numerous times that I don't support these people.
I minored in psychology, so I am familiar with gender confusion in personality disorders. Your definition is a bit of a skew from mine, though. Having worked at a psych hospital, the gender confusion was usually realized through cross dressing, not sexual identification. You're mashing the two together. Sexual identification issues have gender confusion as a symptom as well, thus they are mutually exclusive.
I agree with your assessment that homosexuals have invaded all parts of society, to the point where the "host" is completely infected and must be terminated in order to restart. However, again--and I've been harping on this since early in the thread--how are you going to identify the homosexuals without breaching privacy? What you're proposing is essentially a second Inquisition, but now you're getting into ideas that are completely counter to Constitutional Conservatism.
The world tried religious governance, and it failed miserably. Millions died for not toeing the line of Christianity. If you're not a Catholic, you're likely practicing a Christian spinoff that came to be because someone didn't like the Catholic church and wanted to change something (Henry VIII wanted a divorce, for instance).
Homosexuality IS a sin. I don't disagree.
If you are referring to my "exceptional religious intolerance" as being the "stupid" statement; fine, I'll give you that. However, there's a reason why there are two adjectives before intolerance: one modifies the other. EXCEPTIONAL religious intolerance is different from religious intolerance.
And as I recall, Christ was a Jew. He wasn't intolerant of anyone.
That’s all great. But why, do Christians feel they have the right to tell someone what can and can’t float their boat? Do you try to dictate what your kids will and won’t be interested in growing up? Or as a parent, do you support them 100% in whatever it is they do as long as it’s productive? I love sports, but if one of my sons was interested in dancing, I would support him 100% because he’s still my son and nothing will change that. Would you turn your kids away if one of them happened to be gay? Or would you continue to provide them with the love and family every person should have?
“This is not about intolerance of other religions”
Really? I thought that’s what we were talking about. You know, with the whole “gays infiltrating CPAC” article?
ALL Christians should believe that. Jesus said He is THE WAY. I agree there are other religions and lifestyles. I tolerate them in the public secular square. However, in a church setting, there is only Christianity, and I consider all other religions false.
“That’s okay. Go read it. Good illustration of what happens when the “gay agenda” take over.”
I’d rather not. I judge people based on their character, not what floats their boats. I have no right to dictate what people can and can’t be interested in.
My children aren’t homosexual so I can’t really say for sure what I would do if they were. I just thank God they aren’t. And Christians didn’t make up the rules - God did. We are just to follow them. I wish I were better at obeying God and I am thankful He is forgiving.
We could really spin a schism here if we started talking about the variety of Christian religious sects out there, but I won’t go there.
I would presume that you do business in the public secular square, so do you cast Hasidic Jews or Hindis in a negative light when you see them? I am blessed to have Jewish friends and Hindu friends, Muslim friends and agnostics, Buddhist friends and Taoists. I don’t see them as any different than me. They are going through their lives just as you and me. They are practicing their beliefs, sometimes better than Christians I know, but they’re no different than any of us.
When did Christianity become a religion of exclusion? I see black families and even Indian and middle eastern families in the pews on Sundays practicing Catholicism just like me. The middle eastern family is looked at as if they’re Muslim invaders, but the little boys can recite the Bible better than most of the others in CCD. I understood that as a Christian, I am to walk through life accepting of all God’s children.
I am not a Catholic or am I part of a group that spun off of that group. There was a group of Christians before the Catholic’s that followed the bible and they still do. Most people think the church was started by the Catholic Church, not so.
The Catholic Church broke off of the true church and introduced paginism into the church.
Wasn’t the Catholics started anything, just that they were the first large group of adherents to sweep across the European continent. If I’m not mistaken, the orthodox sects can be traced back even farther than the roots of the Roman Catholics.
“Wasn’t the Catholics started anything, just that they were the first large group of adherents to sweep across the European continent. If I’m not mistaken, the orthodox sects can be traced back even farther than the roots of the Roman Catholics.”
Exactly!
My paternal great-grandparents were Russian Orthodox, and I recall when we had our pastor come to the hospital to issue last rites, he crossed himself and prayed in Latin when we told him that she was Orthodox. He was truly a man of historical religion, and he explained that the Orthodox and Coptic Christians pre-dated the Roman Catholics by at least 500 years.
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