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Glenn Beck Discusses Lincoln with "Expert"
Glenn Beck Show ^ | 2/15/2009 | Self

Posted on 02/15/2010 3:29:27 PM PST by central_va

Did anyone here see tonight's Glenn Beck TV show segment with the author (Lehrman?) of Lincoln at Peoria?

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
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To: cowboyway
Back to my point. Since you're the foremost authority on US history with a special emphasis on the War of Northern Aggression, why don't you share with us the tomes that you've penned? Hmmm? Or are you simply wasting all of your vaulable expertise and time on us poor Lost Causers?

It's a dirty rotten job but somebody's got to do it. Otherwise some poor naieve soul may wander along and may come to the mistaken conclusion that you know what you're talking about.

"Non-Sequitur: Fighting Lost Causer Ignorance since 2001 (It's taking longer than I thought!" I'm thinking of making that my tagline.

Put up or shut your pie hole, gomer.

Ah if someone could only shut yours. But then what would we have to laugh about?

301 posted on 02/17/2010 8:47:09 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bigun
his book traces the history of peaceful secession back to Britain's Glorious Revolution in which the Crown passed from JamesII to William and Mary WITHOUT armed conflict.

Except that William of Orange landed 21,000 troops in England, fought the Battle of Reading, and marched on London. James was so unpopular that he could barely muster any support and ended up fleeing to France.

Most of what made James unpopular was his Catholicism and his support for other Catholics, who were largely oppressed throughout the British Isles. After he was deposed, the Highland Scots and the Irish rose up against William and were suppressed in a series of wars.

Calling the Glorious Revolution bloodless or likening it to secession is simply wrong.

302 posted on 02/17/2010 9:11:06 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Non-Sequitur
It's a dirty rotten job but somebody's got to do it.

In other words, the only thing that you've ever written are the lies and personal attacks that you submit here. It figures.

Non-Sequitur: Fighting Lost Causer Ignorance since 2001

Non-Sequitur: Fighting Lost Causer Ignorance Getting his ass kicked by Rebs since 2001

There. Fixed it for ya.

Ah if someone could only shut yours.

It won't be you and I see that you're not going to shut up OR PUT UP. Once again, it figures.....troll.....

303 posted on 02/17/2010 9:11:20 AM PST by cowboyway
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To: cowboyway
In other words, the only thing that you've ever written are the lies and personal attacks that you submit here. It figures.

Pot, meet kettle.

There. Fixed it for ya.

Yes, so I saw. More Southron mythology.

It won't be you and I see that you're not going to shut up OR PUT UP. Once again, it figures.....troll.....

Kettle, meet pot.

304 posted on 02/17/2010 9:16:01 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
WIJG: And yet another non sequitur from Non-Sequitur!

N-S: Surely you're not going to deny the world a more in depth explanation of your brilliant political theory? Maybe volume one can be on the similarities between the Constitution and Publishers Clearing House and in volume two you can link the Constitution and the Lotto?

As I noted previously: "Rules of admission are just that - rules of admission. Only an idiot (or 'Non-Sequitur') would suggest that rules of admission necessarily imply similar rules and authority with regard to departure."

But surely you're not going to deny the world a more in depth explanation of your brilliant political theory:

"I will state for the record that in my opinion the Constitution makes it clear that the need for permission [from non-seceding States] is implied... To put it bluntly, I say permission is needed [for a State to secede]..."
(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2446232/posts?q=1&;page=501#536)

Just because there are rules regarding admission? And not even a single written rule regarding departure? Implied? By penumbras, emanations, and permutations? By all means, please enlighten us! Those who believe in 'The Rule of (Written) Law' need to know!!!

'Maybe volume one can be on the similarities between the Constitution and the Peoples Republic of China, and in volume two you can link the Constitution and the Soviet Union?'

;>)

305 posted on 02/17/2010 11:34:53 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Monorprise
Why then does the 10th amendment say: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Article 1, Section 10 DOES prohibits necessary expressions of sovereignty to the states

Tell me if you associated revolution with that of the Deceleration of independents tell me how it is that theses Decelerations and/or Ordinances are any different?

That's simple. The Founders won, the secessionists lost.

There is nothing in the Constitution enabling Lincoln to recognize secession or coddle rebellion. Lincoln, to remain true to his oath, had to limit himself to what the Constitution mandated him to do. That is the Supreme Law, not secession ordinances often obtained through political dishonesty and not reflecting the overwhelming will of the people needed to sustain a revolution.

306 posted on 02/17/2010 2:18:10 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Non-Sequitur
Sourtherners never were much for accepting responsibility for their actions.

Lincoln's entire political premise for the war revolved around evading responsibility for his.

307 posted on 02/17/2010 3:14:22 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Lincoln's entire political premise for the war revolved around evading responsibility for his.

Sure it was.

308 posted on 02/17/2010 3:55:19 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

“According to Douglas Southall Freeman, Lee was offered command of all of Virginia’s military forces by Governor Letcher on April 19, 1861 and he accepted.”

Really? He was the personal military advisor to Jefferson Davis prior to being given command of the Army of Northern Virginia. If he was given command of ALL of Virginia’s forces prior to that it must have been a paper army, because he commanded pretty much nothing, as there was pretty much nothing to command (but, as stated, he became the personal military advisor to Jefferson Davis; THEN he was given command of the ANV).

Beauregard was the first commander of the ANV, which was the principal military force of the Confederacy in the east (and he held that position for only a few weeks), and he was followed by Johnston (who commanded for about a year, until Lee replaced him). Hence, Lee’s first field command was on June 1, 1862.


309 posted on 02/17/2010 5:24:20 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
That's simple. The Founders won, the secessionists lost.

Oh - so you're a man of principle? Bravo!

;>)

There is nothing in the Constitution enabling Lincoln to recognize secession or coddle rebellion. Lincoln, to remain true to his oath, had to limit himself to what the Constitution mandated him to do.

Actually, there was nothing in the Constitution prohibiting State secession. Read it again, and tell me otherwise. Mr. Lincoln's actions represent nothing more than the imposition of one person's passions on an entire nation. Nearly three quarters of a million Americans died as a direct result...

310 posted on 02/17/2010 6:35:29 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Article 1, Section 10 DOES prohibits [sic] necessary expressions of sovereignty to the states

Article 1, Section 10 prohibits certain specific actions by the States. No where does it proclaim any blanket prohibition of "expressions of [State] sovereignty." If it had in fact done so, the Constitution would never have been ratified...

;>)

311 posted on 02/17/2010 6:42:04 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Lincoln's entire political premise for the war revolved around evading responsibility for his.

You kind of wonder why the whole fandango was started to 'preserve the Union' (presumably in formaldehyde, given the fact that they were willing to kill to preserve it), but then evolved into 'free the slaves down there (but not up here)'.

Triangulation! Pivot and adjust! A professional politician of the first rank...

312 posted on 02/17/2010 6:51:47 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Who is John Galt?
You kind of wonder why the whole fandango was started to 'preserve the Union'

Some "preserved" Rebs at Antietam. Interesting preservation techique the Yankees had.

313 posted on 02/17/2010 7:29:35 PM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: central_va
Some "preserved" Rebs at Antietam. Interesting preservation techique the Yankees had.

"We're from the government - and we're here to help (even if it means killing your sorry @ss)!"

;>)

314 posted on 02/17/2010 7:34:14 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Bigun; Non-Sequitur
I shouldn't do this because it's late, and I'm going to have to run away, but...

It wasn't the States that created the Federal government, it was the people.

315 posted on 02/17/2010 8:49:48 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (No tag line - I travel light.)
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To: Who is John Galt?
No where does it proclaim any blanket prohibition of "expressions of [State] sovereignty." If it had in fact done so, the Constitution would never have been ratified...

It was ratified only because the Tenth Amendment was offered for ratification as well. The Tenth was the "deal breaker", the sine qua non of ratification by nine States, which was the magic number.

That the Tenth is ignored today by Hamiltonian aggrandizers and Commerce-Clause imperialists is something the late Chief Justice Rehnquist was trying to bring to an end as his life drew to a close. And he wasn't exactly Roger Taney.

316 posted on 02/18/2010 3:26:12 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: ought-six
Hence, Lee’s first field command was on June 1, 1862.

Didn't Lee command the Virginia Militia force that tried unsuccessfully to keep Lincoln from prying loose West Virginia?

317 posted on 02/18/2010 3:29:14 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

Lee was given command of Virginia forces (pretty much existed only on paper at that time; just a few militia companies) by the governer (Lechter, I think his name was). Almost immediately afterward he became Jefferson Davis’ personal military advisor, and remained in that role until he was given command of the ANV on June 1, 1862, after Johnston had been wounded.


318 posted on 02/18/2010 3:52:18 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
Really? He was the personal military advisor to Jefferson Davis prior to being given command of the Army of Northern Virginia.

So you're saying that Lee really didn't 'take up arms' against the U.S. because since he wasn't actually shooting at anyone? Would you say that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs isn't in the military as well? Lee was given command of all Virginia's military forces. He was a general in a military that first planned hostile actions against the U.S. before it even voted for secession. Lee first took up arms in April 1861 by any possible definition of the term.

319 posted on 02/18/2010 4:19:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; central_va
Non_sequitur is really a “copperhead” at heart, he only takes the contrarian side to amuse himself.

I doubt it...

;>)

320 posted on 02/18/2010 1:12:26 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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