Posted on 02/14/2010 9:12:16 AM PST by Nachum
(IsraelNN.com) Israeli-Arabs in Tel Aviv-Jaffa don’t want Israeli Jews moving in to ‘their’ neighborhood – and spent the weekend spray-painting messages to that effect around town.
Among the graffiti warnings were, “Jaffa is not Hebron,” “Jaffa for Jaffans,” “Settlers Out!” and “Enough of Settlers!”
Tel Aviv-Jaffa is within the borders of the State of Israel as recognized by the United Nations before the 1948 War of Independence.
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In all fairness, the Hareidi are a real PITA to live with, even for the vast majority of Jews. They have been growing increasingly strident and at times violent as their welfare has been reduced and the political power wanes.
That’s what I wanted to say. I would protest against haredim in my neighborhood!
Really? And what do the Haredim in this country do that would be a problem for you?
There was the recent incident in NYC where they had the bicylce lanes removed since the riders were immodestly clad by their standards.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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Religious Zionists are not hareidi, who are often anti-Zionist. And I don’t think the Arabs have a problem with their affiliation, just their Jewishness. If the Arabs were blond and blue-eyed, the left would have no difficulty recognizing this for what it is, racist vandalism.
Well, in all fairness I’m not sure why Hareidi shouldn’t be allowed to live where they want. But the issue is simply about Jews, religious Jews, about 40% of Israel’s population, in the neighborhood.
You don't think?
:>)
Nope. Pretty much goes without saying.
Haredim aren’t Religious-Zionists! They are two different movements within Orthodox Judaism.
Get your facts straight.
Doctrinally you are correct, but as a practical matter when it comes to controlling neighborhoods they can be hard to distinguish. BTDT
Because they are impossible. They scream at you if you don’t respect their rules, but they never respect the state’s rules.
I wouldn’t want one in my neighborhood!
What the Haredim in Jerusalem do is beyond the pale. They scream shabbos and throw stones on cars on shabbat, they riot etc. etc. and this happens wherever they are.
Moreover in Israel they are parasites: they don’t work, don’t serve in the army and live from welfare.
“And what do the Haredim in this country do that would be a problem for you?”
Avoiding national conscription and living off the dole come to mind.
And, yes, I am orthodox. I don’t chose, however, to dress like a 1600 Polish nobleman and live off of the welfare of my fellow Jewish citizens.
Can’t find that requirement in the Torah, Mishna, whatever.
I should care what they wear. The fact is that of the Haredi in Israel, which was the original point of the article, there are many that DO serve in the military (there are Haredi units), here too btw, and there are many who do work for a living.
I'm more than a little amazed, though, that you would paint all Haredi as freeloaders when that is clearly not the case.
Are there many who do sponge off the state? Of course. Do I approve of that? No. Does that mean that ALL Haredi sponge off the State? No, it doesn't.
I agree it’s a broad brush, and I did not mean to paint ALL Haredi as freeloaders.
I apologize.
But the question was, “what do they do that makes you dislike them.”
My answer should have been “Many Haredi . . . “
I just read an article about Shas (a political party in Israel for the Haredi Sephardi and Mizrahi).
They are just so welfare oriented they piss me off.
They also seek to the impose (by secular law) of Halakha on secular Jewish peoples.
I don’t disagree with them (regarding religion, or at least mostly), but they are the Israeli Jewish version of Mike Huckabee -— big government from the right that wants to impose their personal view of moral laws via the State.
I can’t stant nanny staters, in the USA or Israel.
You can’t impose a relationship with G-d by secular law.
Each person has to do that themselves, and if they chose not to, that’s between that person and G-d.
That, and I am now doing taxes for two countries.
In a foul mood.
I accept your point about "many Haredim ..." There are always those who will milk the system. And as a Jew, I object to that, vehemently. If ever there is a way to promote a stereotype, that is it.
Hope your mood brightens during the day!
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