Posted on 02/05/2010 3:38:08 AM PST by Man50D
Tennessee state Senate speaker and gubernatorial candidate Ron Ramsey has joined the growing ranks of officials and prominent commentators who say they are unsure of whether President Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen.
Ramsey was asked Feb. 2 about the issue by Maclin Davis, a former state lawmaker and attorney for the state GOP, the Associated Press reported.
"I don't know whether President Obama is a citizen of the United States or not," Ramsey responded. "I don't know what the whole deal is there."
However, Ramsey added that he doesn't believe citizens are concerned about Obama's citizenship status.
"But I'm going to tell you something," he said. "When you walk out on the street down here, people don't really care about this issue."
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Would not applying for an Indonesian passport (or renewing such a passport if one had been issued prior to his 18th birthday) be such an expatriating act?
“What about blackmail by those who have the “goods” on this imposter.”
An excellent point. And, who knows whether or not it’s currently being utilized to drive some of the O’s otherwise unexplanable decisions and policies. However, the public will not learn the truth, one way or the other, until O is long out of office...
I find it creepy that Obama is taking a “vacation” to Indonesia. I found it creepy that he took a “vacation” to Hawaii. Hell, he didnt even take his family with him to see his grandmother last year when she was dying. I know it is an attempt to tie up loose ends. He isn’t fooling me, and he isn’t fooling millions of us. Hopefully, there will be at least one state in this Republic which will require verify that all candidates meet the Constitutional requirements before the next election. It is absolutely sickening that people (Congress, Senate, Media, Citizens) defend this nonsense. It is clear as day that this man is hiding his past, question it!
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Wasn’t the Cold War supposed to be over? - In a minor spat, Sens. Lugar and Obama are detained for three hours at a Russian airport
Chicago Tribune (IL) - Monday, August 29, 2005
Author: Jeff Zeleny, Tribune correspondent.
The trouble began shortly after the vodka toast.
Sens. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, had spent Sunday touring nuclear weapon destruction sites outside this Russian town. Before boarding their plane, they stopped at a reception at the airport to say farewell to their hosts.
“I would like to raise my glass to friendship between Russia and the United States,” Lugar said.
Victor Shmayev, who oversees nuclear warhead destruction at the Federal Space Agency, bid his American friends a safe flight, saying, “Let the number of takeoffs equal the number of landings.”
But for more than three hours, there were no takeoffs or landings. At least not for the plane sitting a few hundred yards away, the white and blue DC-9 with “United States of America” painted on its side in large letters.
The senators and a delegation of 12 Americans were detained in a peaceful yet diplomatically chaotic afternoon episode.
What began as a seeming bureaucratic misunderstanding escalated into an incident involving the White House, the State Department and several U.S. military officials in Washington and their Russian counterparts in Moscow.
When Obama and Lugar prepared to board their plane bound for Ukraine, local Russian border officials demanded to search the American aircraft. U.S. military pilots refused, saying the plane is protected from searches by international law and a joint agreement between the two countries.
“We don’t search Russian aircraft in the United States. You will not search U.S. aircraft in Russia ,” Ken Myers III, a senior aide to the Foreign Relations Committee, said to three border officials, who said they were acting on the authority of the FSB, the agency that replaced the KGB.
And with that, the standoff began.
The city of Perm, about 500 miles east of Moscow, is home to a small airstrip that accepts international flights, which are infrequent. American officials used cell phones to dial Washington, Moscow and points across Europe, trying to resolve the matter.
For a time, the Americans were locked behind a glass door inside a lounge at the Perm airport, which came equipped with the comforts of two easy chairs, one sofa and an aquarium. Lugar took a seat in a burgundy chair and did not become directly involved in the disagreement. Obama , meanwhile, found a spot on a floral sofa.
The senators used the detention period to catch a brief afternoon nap, and the doors eventually were unlocked. But local Russian officials kept the U.S. passports.
William Burns, the U.S. ambassador to Russia , made clear to Moscow officials that Lugar, a high-ranking Senate chairman, and Obama , a prominent newcomer, were being detained. The supreme allied commander for Europe, Gen. James Jones, also was apprised of the situation.
“It’s unfortunate,” Lugar said in an interview after boarding the plane bound for Ukraine. “It illustrates a dysfunctional state where the left and right hand don’t know what either is doing, and people are enforcing their whims of the day without deference to the world.”
One reason for the detention, according to the discussions, was that local border officials weren’t convinced the delegation was flying in an official military plane, which under a joint U.S.-Russian agreement does not require inspection.
“Do you have proof that this is a military plane?” a Russian border control official asked.
One of the pilots presented documents to the official, but he was not satisfied. All the while, two translators traveling with the delegation tried to make sense of the back-and-forth, calmly relaying the messages.
After heated discussions and repeated calls between officials in both countries, the situation was resolved, and Russian authorities returned the delegation’s U.S. passports. One Russian guard, distributing the documents, apologized.
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A foreign classroom for junior senator - Barack Obama tours the former Soviet Union, monitors the destruction of Cold War munitions—and takes notes from a senior statesman
Chicago Tribune (IL) - Friday, September 23, 2005
Author: Jeff Zeleny, Tribune correspondent
EXCERPT
They shared vodka toasts with foreign leaders and local dignitaries. ( Obama discreetly asked for water in his shot glass.) They were detained for more than three hours by Russian border guards. ( Obama paced a bit, but ultimately joined Lugar in taking a nap until the ordeal ended.) They met British Prime Minister Tony Blair at 10 Downing Street in London. (”They let me sit in Winston Churchill’s reading chair!” Obama declared.)
When you’re a freshman senator, particularly in the minority party, a mentor or tour guide is critical. Lugar, a frequent visitor to Russia and other former Soviet republics since becoming an advocate for nuclear disarmament 14 years ago, not only served that role but did something that might be unthinkable in America: He overshadowed Obama .
Seldom can Obama go anywhere in the United States, at least in political circles, without being stopped for a photograph or autograph. But on this foreign trip, he was barely recognized. While Lugar breezed through security at a top-secret Russian nuclear site, Obama was stopped for identification.
“I very much feel like the novice and pupil,” conceded Obama , 44, looking out the window as he flew over the Russian countryside from Moscow to Perm.
Words measured with precision
It had been more than five years since Obama had been outside the United States.
His blue tourist passport , which he had taken across Asia, Australia and Africa as well as most of Europe, was replaced by a burgundy one that designates him an official of the U.S. government. Motorcades have replaced motorbikes and bodyguards have replaced tour guides. (In Moscow, embassy officials were sufficiently concerned about Obama ‘s safety to place an extra bodyguard by his side.)
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I'm sorry, but this is simply not true. The relevant law at the time has been posted here often.
And when election time rolls around, nobody will give a fart in a hurricane about "birthers", they'll be too busy bashing the Republican presidential candidate, Sarah Palin.
You mean some arcane law about duel citizenship or something that nobody cares about?
The mother was American born, not foreign born. That law was intended to cover the foreign born. If you really think that is enough to convince anyone (not just “liberals”) you are wasting your time. His mother was an American born citizen, thus he is eligible.
DOESN’T ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIS MULTIPLE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS ?
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Yeah! Where is the Woodward and Bernstein we need to dig around in that mess?
Ministerstvo Bezopasnosti Rosii (Security Ministry of Russia)
Masad (Israel’s Intelligence Agency)
MI5 & MI7 (UK Intelligence & Military Intelligence)
Guojia Anquan Bu (Chinese Ministry of State Security)
Koanchosa-cho (The Public Security Intelligence Agency, Japan)
Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure (General Directorate for External Security, France)
Bundesnachrightendienst (Federal Intelligence Service, Germany)
What do all of these foreign agencies, along with others, have in common? They all know precisely and without a doubt whether Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii, or whether he was born in Kenya.
Foreign governments and their intelligence services are well aware of the issues and conflicts in the United States with regard to Obama’s citizenship, and they have an interest for both intelligence and political purposes in knowing the truth of the matter.
One concern of intelligence officers is to know the weaknesses and strengths of foreign leaders: what things could strengthen their leadership, and what things could be used, when desirable, to weaken them, bring them down—to topple them.
Foreign governments want to uncover for themselves secrets on foreign leaders: secrets they could use for high-scale political blackmail; pressure points in political, military, or trade negotiations; propaganda; subversion; and so on.
If it might be true that Obama is not a Constitutionally eligible usurper of the presidency, and if this could be used to damage him, topple him, pressure him, or blackmail him, major foreign governments, friendly and not so friendly, want to know the truth of the matter.
If the MBR (Russia) wanted to know the birth place of Obama, how long would it take one or several of their agents to get accurate details? Certainly, they’ve already checked it out on the Kenyan end, and they know whether he was born there. They’ve already done sufficient investigation right in Obama’s family village, from where an American research seeking that information was expelled.
Now, if they wanted to discover exactly what is on Obama’s sealed birth record in Honolulu, how much trouble would it be? The certificate is not sealed to agents of the caliber of those working for any of the agencies listed above. Although “sealed” by the State of Hawaii, it is not a top secret document, not secret, nor even confidential-Need-To-Know in the sense of security classifications.
A Masad agent wouldn’t need 48 hours in Hawaii to discover the content of the birth record that Obama refuses to reveal to the American electorate. And most of that 48 hours would be on the beaches or in the clubs (Okay, he would need 72 hours, because he just loves Waikuku.). The head of Vital Statistics is not the only person in Hawaii who has seen Obama’s records, and an highly trained intelligence officer would not have any problem discovering who has had access to them.
And of course, our own Central Intelligence Agency knows where Barack was born—that agency headed by Leon Panetta, who could order secrecy among his agency for his friend, Hussein.
Where Obama was born is only a secret, for now, to the American electorate.
I see American Constitutionalist has already answered you in post 64, so I won't bother. And the simple fact is that quite a few folks care whether the Constitutional requirement has been satisfied or not. Perhaps YOU don't, and probably your colleagues at DU don't.
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