Posted on 01/13/2010 7:09:27 PM PST by sickoflibs
Glenn Beck:”It killed me to vote for John McCain. I voted for John McCain because of you. John McCain is a progressive…...he is for big government, for the bank bailouts, health care, he’s for all of it.
Sarah Palin : “Look what he’s doing now though. He and a lot of other politicians are saying ‘HMMM. Maybe that more progressive road we were on is not accepted by the electorate anymore’ and that’s why you see poll numbers changing. That’s why you see pressure from the tea party movements, from others wanting ‘common sense conservative values ushered back in. Look at what he’s doing now. He’s the one leading the fight against the government taking over health care.
Glenn Beck:”I don’t believe any of these people anymore. When they lost in 2006 because they were big spenders and they violated everything they said they were going to do. That was the time to come out and say ‘I was lost. I got caught lying cheating and stealing. I get it. Then they lost with John McCain. When they come out now so close to an election, why should I as a voter believe them?
Sarah Palin :”A lot of voters won’t believe they have changed in their thinking or the policies they want to see implemented…
It's more than "conventional wisdom". It's plain horse sense and stats. Hunter has never garnered enough support to mount a serious presidential campaign, and that's the simple truth of it.
I have no idea what strategy he could create that could make up for his lack of charisma or appeal to voters.
A winning presidential candidate has to have more than a perfect conservative rating to win among the Republican electorate. It's a fact of human nature that people follow charismatic leaders. It can't be faked, and can be seen from a mile away.
That being said, leadership doesn't always consist of saintly attributes. History is replete with villains and rogues who led their people to ruin. But they had a quality that caused others to follow them.
So did people like Washington, Churchill, and Reagan.
Hunter does not have that "it" factor.
You stick with your “it” idiots and I’ll stick with the conservatives.
Trust me, that only holds true amongst us political junkies. Hunter was a forgettable blip on the radar screen of most Republican voters.
My "it" candidate is also a rock-ribbed conservative, and someone who can win the White House.
Thankfully, I don't have to compromise anything to support her.
Well good for you. I like Sarah. Your agenda is pushing Palin. Mine is Hunter. And if you and your compadres are going to start trying to torpedo Hunter, giving all the same lame arguments as I heard from the celebrity worshippers last time out, I’ll be happy to return fire.
Sure...DC needs a good clean up, but who's responsible? There's a tendency to blame DC for everything. I think a lot of the blame goes to the people. Why didn't they get of their butts earlier, attend townhall en masse and get vocal about corruption years ago? They were too comfortable in front of the boob tube and wanted DC pols to do it all for them.
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“Sorry, having Republicans in the majority did us absolutely no good.”
They followed the party leader, who was for compassionate conservatism, and waited years before vetoing any bloated spending bills.
Yep. Heads the anti-Palin people win, tails the Palin supporters lose -- had she badmouthed him the way some folks lust for, the anti-Palin folks would scream that she was disloyal and throwing him under the bus; had she praised him, the anti-Palin people would scream that she was a RINO. Instead, it appears, she was gracious, smart, and sidestepped the trap.
And just who are these ‘lots and lots of conservative Democrats’?? Can you name them because it is all a fraud in the ‘blue dog Democrat’ BS. THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS. Hell, they aren’t even moderate. They say what they say to get elected in areas that would NEVER elect them otherwise and show their true colors by marching to the tune of Pelosi and Reid. It is all a power grab with that party and their true nature is facist/communist. They have proven it with the way they are now doing things with their total control.
Hey there, pissant! I’ve always been frustrated at the nonsayers on Duncan Hunter. He is the best and would have proven it had those who liked him put his considerable skills ahead of name-recognition. Palin wasn’t a well-known name to begin with, either. As much as I don’t care for McCain, that was one good thing that came out of all that mess and the mess that is today’s GOP. Palin is someone I like as well.
nonsayers=naysayers
bttt
Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican.
I’ve lived in the Northeast my whole life, and I lived in MA for 22 years, and in a liberal hellhole, at that.
Even in MA, there are tons of conservatives. All of them are registered Democrats, but they’re conservatives, none the less.
Reagan appealed to them because he WASN’T a Republican. Oh, yes, he was running as a Republican, but he wasn’t born Republican.
And there were many other things that made him different from the species Republicanus newenglandensis.
He didn’t look down his nose at them.
He didn’t care that they smoked.
He disn’t care if they had a few drinks (He won Massachusetts the day he visited the Erie Pub in Dorchester and hoisted a few, no Republican has done that before or since).
He didn’t care that their children didn’t dress up for church, or what parties they went to.
He even knew that people occasionally let fly a few curse words, and he didn’t hold that against them.
None of the born Republicans that these people knew were ever like that. And very few of them are like that today.
By the way, regarding behavior in power or out of power, see my tagline :-p
Because before this year we had a Republican as president and before that he had his republican congress. And GWB was the ‘conservatives’ man. (I mean media conservatives like talk radio driving the bus.) And as things went wrong and as GWB did more and more things these conservatives disapproved of, those conservatives disowned those specific actions but still defended him. Because of this , GWB (mis)represented free markets, capitalism and conservatism. So when he went wrong they got the blame too.
And then they told us to elect McCain, who they would have eventually disowned too if he had won.
I am saying that until republicans lost, there was no alternative, joining democrats protesting against republicans would have solved nothing. If McCain had won, things would have gotten even worse.
The best strategic argument against a 3rd party is that it splits your vote, leaving the other side with a majority. If the vote is split between two right of center parties and one left of center, the left of center will win. Look at Fox News. One reason they win the ratings war is that the left has several networks, the right has one. So ALL the right wing viewers go to FOX, while the left wing viewers are split up among the several choices.
I started thinking what if you could have 4 major parties? Two right wing parties and two left wing parties? Wouldn't that protect against this problem, while providing better accountability to the voters? I think not. Let's say the two right wing parties legitimately competed against each other. What's to stop the left wing parties from acting in concert? What's to stop them from intentionally making one party the clearly viable one, and the other one a stooge, a fake choice, so that they funnel most of their votes to the one party, thus thwarting the idea that each side is protected against the negative effects of splitting their vote? How would you "regulate" that? It would be impossible.
Then I started thinking, what if there were some sort of quarter final round. What if the primaries consisted of two parties on each side. But no matter how you look at it, power would concentrate into one party on each side.
If you are going to beat Sarah Palin about the head and shoulders with John McCain then you are going to be very unhappy in 2012 when another Rat/RINO is elected.
Palin could of taken a break from the puff piece “Obama shouldn't be doing this and that..” stuff to address the current Republican party and how they need to change.
There is a need for more than waiting around till the voters turn against government expansion(under democrats). There is a need for someone to articulate why the federal government should be getting out of running the states business. There is a need to call for cuts in spending.
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