Posted on 01/13/2010 7:09:27 PM PST by sickoflibs
Glenn Beck:”It killed me to vote for John McCain. I voted for John McCain because of you. John McCain is a progressive…...he is for big government, for the bank bailouts, health care, he’s for all of it.
Sarah Palin : “Look what he’s doing now though. He and a lot of other politicians are saying ‘HMMM. Maybe that more progressive road we were on is not accepted by the electorate anymore’ and that’s why you see poll numbers changing. That’s why you see pressure from the tea party movements, from others wanting ‘common sense conservative values ushered back in. Look at what he’s doing now. He’s the one leading the fight against the government taking over health care.
Glenn Beck:”I don’t believe any of these people anymore. When they lost in 2006 because they were big spenders and they violated everything they said they were going to do. That was the time to come out and say ‘I was lost. I got caught lying cheating and stealing. I get it. Then they lost with John McCain. When they come out now so close to an election, why should I as a voter believe them?
Sarah Palin :”A lot of voters won’t believe they have changed in their thinking or the policies they want to see implemented…
DH needs to be Speaker when the House turns over to a Republican majority in 2011. THERE her would be most influential.
I'm aware of that. We shouldn't go along with it. "Progressive" is a euphamism. We should correct it every time it comes up. The American public is too ignorant of their own political history to put the term in any proper context.
There is a need for more than waiting around till the voters turn against government expansion(under democrats).
I heard on the John Bachelor show that Boehner is trying to create a new Contract with America--he delegated someone to figure out what it would include. Amazing they don't even know what they want to do.
There is a need for someone to articulate why the federal government should be getting out of running the states business. There is a need to call for cuts in spending.
The problem with this is that many of the states are already in financial trouble, and are dealing with cutting spending. One of the reasons state sovereignty hasn't worked is that the states continually fail on one score or another, and the feds jump in. Now, we have failure at ALL levels. The people say they want spending cuts until you get into specifics. Then they squawk.
There is little chance that Democrats will do well in November and not because anyone likes republicans. Maybe Republicans still need to fix their party, much like in 1993.
Are you saying we need to ignore Republicans to elect republicans? Like the elect McCain strategy in 2008?
The one area where I question that is energy. Maybe as prices fell, McCain would have backed off it, but I saw the potential for a real win there. Energy development is a way for the national government to appear energetic, which national politicians love, while farming out much of the actual work to the private sector. To me, regardless of temporal energy prices, this one issue--energy independence--could and should be a centerpiece of a winning platform.
Like I said, it gives the national pols a way to be grandiose and energetic, it gives them an outlet for their power lust, while enabling them to do so in a way that might actually work. Paint it as an Eisenhower public highway type thing. Let the nat'l pols take the credit for it. Fine by me. Just get it done. Motivate the people to sign on to the long term project of securing energy independence for America. Create jobs. Diversify. I'd be willing to let them buy off left wing votes and support with some dumb wind and solar projects. It's the cost of doing business. But in return, they have to sign on to nuclear, drilling, etc. That was McCain's platform. I think "independents" would go for it. Set it up so you get some "quick wins" that people can see. Build momentum.
Here's the winning platform:
Energy Independence
tax policies that support small business
trade policies that promote domestic manufactures
line item veto amendment on spending bills
eliminate withholdings--let everyone keep all of their paycheck and send in quarterly tax bills.
I well understand the political pitfalls of proposing cutting spending. But it was that political compass that drove the GWB administration with Republican congress (the grand conservative experiment) to grow government in the first place (including home ownership) which ended very unhappy..And his talk radio conservative champians were willing to look the other way especially until GWB was safely re-elected.
One point should be articulated about democrats. They ran in 2006 and 2008 on the federal government funding state programs to lower state taxes. But in power they passed expensive mandates, and are proposing more. It is Arnold in CA that is ironically vocal about this.
I have my eye on the Tea Party, curious to see that comes of that movement. Personally I am hoping we get a real conservative party and to hell with the GOP.
No, she probably shouldnt diss him specifically but she could talk about republicans sometimes, not just Puff negative comments about Obama. Anybody can do that now. Republicans will have a big win in November which they did nothing to deserve. And we need a brave conservative to talk about Republicans leading, reforming and being trusted again.
So was most of the South. That found its origin in the mistreatment by Republicans much of the South experienced immediately after the Civil War. That gave rise to the term Yellow Dog Democrat. Most of the South was rural and they adored FDR, erroneously giving him credit for ending the Depression.
When Eisenhower ran against Adlai Stevenson in 1952 that started changing and grew as the Democrats moved further and further left, especially as far as "civil rights" was concerned.
Ronald reagan changed parties about that time, too.
I’ve lived in the Northeast my whole life, and I lived in MA for 22 years, and in a liberal hellhole, at that.
I have worked for three different companies, in Boston, Cambridge, and Newton, and travelled there frequently, including during the 1980 election campaign. The media and politicians were for Carter but the non-union blue collar workers liked Reagan. However, they didn't like him for the reasons you cite, they liked him because Jimmy Carter had run the country into the ground and tried to present the USA as nothing special, just like Obama. And of course, Reagan was upbeat, optimistic, and witty, the opposite of Carter.
Even in MA, there are tons of conservatives. All of them are registered Democrats, but they’re conservatives, none the less.
Then why do they keep plaguing us with Kennedys, Meehans, Markeys, Barney Franks, John Kerrys, and only an occasional rino like Romney? Doesn't sound very conservative to me.
All the rest of your reasons they liked Reagan are just icing on the cake but are not why they voted for him.
Relax, friend. I'd never think of torpedoing Duncan Hunter. He was my first choice early in the game, this last go-round.
It's just that he hasn't lit a fire in the hearts and minds of center-right voters. There's no widespread agreement amongst voters that he's "the one".
I also don't know what kind of executive experience Hunter has, if any. That's a major deficit on his resume for the job of CIC.
There's a place for Duncan Hunter in our government, but CIC isn't it.
But it took the present crisis to get conservatives VOTERS at the grassroots (the present Tea Party) off their butts and involved. Because of this people's movement a lot more independents and even some liberals are being coaxed rightward.
If we do get a majority in Congress this year, we the people will have to NOT sit back again or socialism will again creep in.
RE :”LOTS of stuff could have been done at the grass roots over the years to get more conservative Repubs elected (who would have passed SS reform under Bush for example).”
Here’s a perfect example of my previous point. The RNC and GWB campaigned for Spector against Toomey 2004. The primary objective was to keep the seat Republican, even if it is liberal. At the same time in 2004 the leaders of the ‘conservative’ themes at talk radio, are also beating the drums for a ‘conservative’ Bush. There was nothing grass-roots could do with that.
Sell a RINO leader as a conservative
..A socialist leader as a capitalist
...A statist leader as a free marketer
Then organize the grass roots of his party??
The grass roots should be organizing themselves.
They finally are. But it took a crisis to do it.
RE :”The grass roots should be organizing themselves. They finally are. But it took a crisis to do it.”
No if they organized when Bush was president they would be called Democrat enablers and Bush haters, as anyone questioning McCain last fall was called. So independents bolted to Obama who used conservative phrases.
They can organize now because all types of conservatives and even republicans (RINOs) are united against democrats. With Bush or McCain as president it was hopeless.
We will see how successful liberals are at organizing against Obama for liberal principles on health reform.
If they had gotten out on the streets to protest for SS reform when Bush was pushing it it would have been construed as "Bush hate"?
Don't think so. Rather, it would have helped Congress to pass reform while the grass roots helped to move the message out to independents, etc.
But there was no "crisis" then so the grassroots couldn't have been bothered.
NOTE: Bush stood strong against fed funding of embryonic stem cell research w/o the Tea Party, for example. But an overhaul to an institutionally entrenched system such as SS couldn't be done without a large and very vocal number of the populace backing it to counteract the MSM juggernaut that would have fought reform.
Would u mind telling me all those you voted for in the last 20 years with those simple qualifications?.....
I nominate u as the first President of the UTOPIAN PARTY...
(need your name so i can write u in...let the storm begin!)
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