The “fear” needs to turn into anger and activism.
Wrong! My wife is visiting her sister in Russia. Because my wife is a Russian National, she must carry her "Internal Passport" wherever she goes and produce it on demand by any official without any cause. She was astounded and amused when she first came to the U.S. many years ago that we could travel between states without having to "prove" our identity at any time for no reason without a gubmint issued passport.
Really? When and how? If any sort of coordination is attempted on the Internet, we'll have government brownshirts at our door looking to lock us up for fomenting violence or attempting to overthrow the government... essentially treason, at least in the eyes of the Obama DoJ.
If we try to muster in cities around DC, we'll be squashed by the military like the Bonus Army in 1932.
Despite being armed, the American public doesn't have the stomach for Civil War, and they likely never will until after all of the cogs have been set in motion to stop any and all attempts at a coup d'etat.
And if anyone thinks we'll have a revolution at the ballot box, they're sorely mistaken. 2008 showed us that the Marxists have figured out how to rig our elections in their favor. If every Conservative showed up in 2010, I'm convinced we'll still lose in major contests.
The Liberal/Progressive Marxist/Socialist din has grown into a roar, and the machine of Communism has started up with great thunder. Many of us, by virtue of posting on FR alone, will likely be imprisoned for dissidence at some point.
MOLWN LABE!
Whenever I have tried to explain to my liberal friends how much their liberty has been compromised and how much of their freedom is being threatened...they look at me like I have two heads and then start babbling about Bush.
The government isn’t doing this sort of thing to keep us safe against terrorists. It is doing it to silence critics and those who oppose leftist policies.
If asked for “papers” simply state that you are a gay muslim of mixed race, with no birth certificate or proof of your citizenship and, because you are a ‘special’ minority the ‘need to know’ is rendered moot.
That’s the ticket!
Conjures a spittin' image of Reid...
“Papiere, Bitte”..................
People who drive automobiles have been showing their “papers” since shortly after the turn of the last century.
This fear is based upon pure reason, not paranoia.
They want “our” papers, but they don’t blink at the Nigerian on the Delta/Northwest flight 253.
Lock and load!
Never mind......let me see your papers.
It’s more like they are looking into our IRS records, our employment records, our health care records, our credit card information.
You name it, they’re busy snooping.
Too busy snooping to watch for terrorists it would seem.
Technical note: Then as now, German polizei, of whatever stripe, would never say “Let me see your papers”, because that implies requesting permission. Instead they would say, “Show me your papers”, in that this is the more correct form for an order.
Interestingly, it is easy to adjust to the “ordered” German way of doing things, for three reasons.
First of all, German police do not, and will not, chit-chat with you. When they speak to you at all, they are ordering you to comply, even if they are asking you a question, they are demanding an answer. They demand obedience, and no arguments.
This compares favorably to the nebulous American police chit-chat, that could be just that, chit-chat; or it could be asking you an “honest” question; or it could be trying to deceive you or trick you into incriminating yourself. This is why it is *very* wise advice to never talk to (an American) policeman. They revel in “head games”.
So you can be more comfortable around a German polizei, because you know what his intentions are. However, you *must* comply with whatever a polizei orders you to do for a very good reason. There are almost *no* police brutality laws in Germany. If he orders you to do something, and you refuse, he may very likely hit you. He means it. American cops can’t do that.
But in turn, this is mitigated by the third principal, that the criminal penalties for police corruption in Germany are *severe*. Most German police are scrupulously honest and rigidly stick by the book, because the punishment they would face is truly awful. If a German cop goes bad, he is putting his life on the line.
This difference in philosophy is what most frightens Americans when there is talk of requiring them to carry papers. Because American police, if given powers like that, would be monsters. They would try to mess with the minds of everyone they met. They would confiscate and maybe destroy papers. They would use them to torment those they wanted to mess with.
What has long been used in Germany would not work in America.
The situation would be reversed in Germany if they eliminated all penalties for police corruption. It might take them a few weeks to get used to the idea of being dishonest, but then they would be equally monstrous to the German people.
I dunno. Lets face it, if you get stopped by a cop or try to get on a plane, you have to produce some form of official ID. You’re fooling yourself if you think otherwise. And people going to vote or get a job SHOULD be required to produce ID too. As somone who carries multiple forms of official ID, I don’t have a big problem with a national ID card. If done right, such a card COULD potentially do some good, such as helping to screen illegals and reduce various kinds of fraud. The problem is that, I suspect, there will be two sets of rules: a rigorous set for the law abiding, and a wink, wink, nudge, nudge set for illegals and crooks.
I never thought I’d ever see the level of intrusion into American’s personal lives that we’re seeing today. It’s like a nightmare that you just can’t wake up from.
How sad that 233 years of blood, sweat and tears expended to make this country the greatest in the world and a beacon of freedom was given in vain.
Who is Obama? This video goes well past marxism....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJzU056ccV4&NR=1
The intro for the first two and a half minutes is relevant, then it gets into the meat of the matter.
The more we profile, the more we will have to show our papers.