White House: Failed plane attack an attempted act of terrorism(Obama told 3 HOURS AFTER PLANE LANDS)

Washington Post ^ | December 25, 2009 | Scott Butterworth and Spencer S. Hsu

[Brytani]

A White House official said the incident was an attempted act of terrorism. The FBI is investigating and President Obama, celebrating Christmas in Hawaii, was told of the incident about three hours after the plane landed, officials said.

Obama has told White House officials that all appropriate measures be taken to increase security for air travel, a spokesman said. Nevertheless, officials said, they are not prepared to raise the terrorism alert level, currently at orange -- or the second-highest of five levels -- for domestic and international air travel.

[Arizona Carolyn]

Well experts disagree with you, his seat was over the main fuel tank and if the fire had managed to catch the wall of the plane on fire according to “experts” it most likely would have managed to explode that tank... and as to why AQ would take credit.. come on now, they love to take credit where credit is due and this is coming from one of the real AQ websites (per Catherine Heridge Fox News)... and Yemen is now the Afghanistan of the region where AQ is concerned...

[FreeReign]

I am guessing that you have never had to report a serious incident to someone higher up. There’s nothing disgraceful about that. However, you are certain that you’d report speculation and unconfirmed claims to the president and present that to him for his decision making process. That doesn’t do anyone any good, but you’d insist that he have it anyway, right?

Plenty of facts were determined before 90 (or 180) minutes transpired. Also the president's decision making functions include functions that occur before all the facts are known.

But you would insist otherwise.

[Eagle Eye]

Also the president's decision making functions include functions that occur before all the facts are known.

Talk about superobvious! If all the facts were known then there would be no need to investigate, would there? The case would be closed with the report.

I really think you think Obama personally directs everthing that goes on.

Personally I have little regard or trust in his judgement or that of his first line subordinates.

[Eagle Eye]

Yeah, I've run into a couple dozen of them on FR who seem to know exactly what the president needs to know and exactly what the president is supposed to do in these cases.

Perhaps it would have. If. If. If. Maybe.

But then again, no one should have been able to sneak PETN on board to begin with.

[FreeReign]

Also the president's decision making functions include functions that occur before all the facts are known.

Talk about superobvious! If all the facts were known then there would be no need to investigate, would there? The case would be closed with the report.

Here's more superobvious.

As I said way back on this thread: The CIC should be informed ASAP whenever our country is under attack.

[Nepeta]

Have you ever considered that some of these agencies and organizations can actually function and perform their missions well even when Obama isn't personally directing them?

That has been my understanding all along.

But if you have read any history at all, you know that circumstances can change quickly, and last week's guidelines can become obsolete in this hour's war.

Now, if you are saying Obama is next to useless, as opposed to presidents in general during a crisis, I will agree with you.

[manc]

you still think that the president should not have been notified right away and this after now a couple of days

WOW.

Has it ever occurred to you why many others have picked up on your posts about this or are you still convinced that everyone is dumb and dictionaries are wrong and you're right

[manc]

and the Govt never knew if more attacks were pending

and as for your post saying how the people who sent this guy to do this knew that it would not blow up the plane is just plain stupid.

For 8 years I worked in the military with explosives and I am telling you the amount he had and what he had was enough to blow the plane up

[manc]

what eagle eye doesn’t understand and doesn’t understand as to why many are picking up on his posts is that 2.5oz PETN would blow a hole in that plane so the comment by him t say it would not is laughable and he needs to know a few things first before he comments on them.

Also the president should know about any attack , regardless of how small .
Just because he might not all the details is not an excuse to say he should not be told.
During 9/11 Bush never knew what was going on right away and he was informed.
Bozo never knew everything what was going on but he should have been told.
No one knew if this was one attack or 10 attacks.

To say he should not have been told is one of the most absurd comments I have ever read on here

[manc]

for 8 years while in the militiary I world with many kinds of explosives and I can honestly say that the amount and what he had would have blown an hole in that plane and would have killed everyone on board

[panaxanax]

How dare you question the vast knowledge and experience of the one and [hopefully] only Eagle Eye.

And don’t think you can soften him up and get on his good side, Carolyn. You’re wasting your time. In his own words: “Sorry ladies, I’m taken!”

As far as I’m concerned, anyone who defends 0bama so adamantly is a liberal mole and should be zapped from FR.

[manc]

LOL
He said that!!!!!!!!

should be a rule on here where you cannot post while under the influence

[Arizona Carolyn]

Bury your head in the sand all you want, the facts speak for themselves: both HLS and State failed miserably here and it was pure luck those people were not killed... as a matter of fact the administration quietly changed immigration laws on people coming to the USA from the Sudan, etc., that will actually make it easier for people like this to get on planes to the USA..... and into this country.

[Brytani]

Three hours to brief the SOB. Four days to make a statement, and then it’s taped.

The terrorist was released from Gitmo, his own father told the US about him UNDER OBAMA’S WATCH, and this SOB is out playing golf/tennis.

Yet, our media blew a gasket over 6 minutes.

We need Cheney in the White House not this ass.

[Arizona Carolyn]

Well, just as with Fort Hood, all info on this has to be desciminated through the White House... IMHO this places it directly into the President’s lap since he insists on micromanaging everything to do with his precious Muslim brethren.

[Arizona Carolyn]

~LOL~ I looked at his page.. clearly not my “type” ...

[panaxanax]

Indeed he did! Check it out.

I’m not sure your ‘coolness rating’ is high enough to enter his profile page but at least try before he removes it. An added plus is the volume of pictures of him on a really big motorcycle with the ‘baddest’ sunglasses I’ve ever seen.

It must really suck to argue a point that you know nothing about and then be proven wrong in front of the entire thinking FR membership.

Go away, Eagle Eye.......you’re yesterday’s news. Even AQ says so!

[manc]

wild hogs never go away

[panaxanax]

“...I looked at his page.. clearly not my “type”...”

Believe me, my dear Carolyn, I knew that.

[Eagle Eye]

For 8 years I worked in the military with explosives and I am telling you the amount he had and what he had was enough to blow the plane

Could you please elaborate? How much of what kind of substances did he have?

I read one article that compared PETN to nitroglycerine. What do you say about that? No fair googling!

From what I read he had about 80 grams of powdered PETN (about 2.5 ounces). I don't know what the other substance was. Det cord often has 25-50 grams per foot. Not that I'd want to have a couple or three of feet of det cord in my lap, but that wouldn't bring down an aircraft.

As you should well know, 2.5 ounces of PETN goes up in a flash, in a split second. Unconfined it would probably flare and be extremely frightening in the confinement of an aircraft.