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Facts are stubborn things: Obama is a natural-born citizen
Renew America ^ | 2009-12-23 | Jamie Freeze

Posted on 12/23/2009 6:08:15 AM PST by rabscuttle385

I never will forget meeting former North Carolina State Senator Hugh Webster my senior year of high school. He came to my school and had lunch with the seniors. As he sat down beside me, I asked him to tell me what he most loved and hated about being in Raleigh. I don't remember what he most loved, but I'll never forget what he most hated. In the words of Mr. Webster, "I don't deal well with incompetent people."

At that point, I knew Mr. Webster and I were kindred spirits. I too don't deal well with incompetent people. As a matter of fact, I go out of my way to avoid them, but when dealing with them is inevitable, I can't help but point out their incompetencies. As a law student, I am being trained to be meticulous, well-reasoned, and intelligent. After my final exam grades come back, we'll see how well I'm doing. But that aside, I feel that I have been too longsuffering in letting the Birther Movement receive simply a few caustic remarks and jabs from me. It's time for me to call a spade a spade. Here goes: If you believe that President Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen, then you are an incompetent idiot who is probably watching Glenn Beck while wearing a tin-foil hat. You probably think Obama's a Muslim too.

If you are still reading (and not firing off angry emails), then allow me to offer you factual proof that Obama is a natural-born citizen who satisfies the constitutional requirements for Commander-in-Chief. My argument is two-fold: 1. Obama was born in Hawaii (a U.S. state for my incompetent readers). 2. Obama satisfies the requirements found in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which defines natural-born citizens.

1. Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii joined the Union in 1959. Barack Obama was born in 1961. Do the math. It works. Ok, so perhaps that argument is a bit over-simplified, but that is because I find the birth certificate question so ridiculous. The President released his birth certificate (which was verified by the Hawaii Health Department) yet conspiracy theorists refuse to see logic. "Big bad Obama must be hiding something. That certificate isn't the long form. What's he hiding?" What the naysayers fail to realize is that in 1961 the standard Hawaiian birth certificate was...wait for it...exactly the same length as Obama's! The Hawaiian Health Department has said this, but as conspiracy theorists point out, they must be covering for Obama. Despite the facts, folks say that even if he was born in Hawaii, he is not a natural born citizen because his father was Kenyan. However, even if Obama was born on the moon, he would still be a natural born citizen under the Immigration and Nationality Act.

2. Obama is a natural born citizen. In Scales v. INS, 232 F.3d 1159 (2000), we have a clear definition of what natural born citizenship is. Scales' father was an American serviceman stationed in the Philippines where he met Scales' mother. They married despite the fact that Scales' mother was pregnant with him at the time. In all probability, the court said, Scales was a product of his mother's previous relationship. However, he was born after Mr. Scales married his mother, and he was treated as Scales' son. Later, Scales was facing deportation because of an aggravated felony involving drugs. He challenged his deportation saying he was a natural born citizen. The court determined that natural born citizenship depends on the statute in effect at the time of the child's birth. Since Scales was born in 1977, he was a natural born citizen because a "person shall be a national and citizen of the United States at birth who is born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years." Id. at 1169; see 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(7) (1976). Therefore, Scales was a natural born citizen despite the following: having been born in a foreign country, having been born to a non-citizen, having his American father later deny paternity (and prove non-paternity), and having claimed to be a citizen of the Philippines. Sounds like it is difficult to get rid of natural born citizenship. Let's examine Barack Obama's citizenship.

Obama's citizenship will be determined under the 1952 version of the Immigration and Nationality Act since he was born in 1961 and the Act wasn't updated again until 1966. According to § 301(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (66 Stat. 235), "a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person [is a natural born citizen]." According to § 305 of the same statute, any person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 was to be considered a natural born citizen. Obama's mother was a citizen of the United States, and his father was a citizen of Kenya. They were married six months before Obama was born. There is no doubt that Obama's mother resided in the United States or its possessions for at least one year prior to Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama can't be anything other than a natural born citizen. Combine this detail with his birth in an American State, you have a certified natural born citizen.

Facts are stubborn things. They refuse to go away just because people disagree with them or wish they'd go away. The Birther Movement is a stubborn thing too. It refuses to go away even when proven wrong. It is appalling that the myth of Obama's non-citizenship is allowed to flourish given that a simple search in LexisNexis of "natural born citizen" pulled up all of the relevant case law and statutes. You don't even have to be a lawyer to understand it! However, I learned a long time ago that most people are sheep — they'd rather regurgitate something they've heard rather than doing their own research. And the old adage is true: if you say something often enough, people will believe it. For once let's say the truth often enough and hope people believe it. Let's forget about conspiracy theories and focus on the real issue: Obama's policies. After all, I don't deal well with incompetent people.

© Jamie Freeze


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1 posted on 12/23/2009 6:08:16 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385
"Facts are stubborn things: Obama is a natural-born citizen"

There is one very simple proof of that assertion, eh?

2 posted on 12/23/2009 6:10:59 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Don't start the revolution without me.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Why doesn't Obama show us all his Smallpox Vaccination?
3 posted on 12/23/2009 6:11:08 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’’t appreciate articles that are smug, self righteous and dripping with contempt for those that have a different opinion, but heh, that’s just me.


4 posted on 12/23/2009 6:11:41 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: rabscuttle385

Facts are based on what we know from hard evidence.

All we know about this putz is someone posted “online” (as if that is hard evidence) a copy of a COLB - which wouldn’t even get any of us a passport.

Oh and we have some hard evidence of the amount of legal fees he’s paid to hide his true birth certificate.

The “natural citizen” stuff- is based on anecdote and faith.


5 posted on 12/23/2009 6:12:14 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: rabscuttle385

Therefore, Obama can’t be anything other than a natural born citizen.

Well, we don’t know if he kept his citizenship.


6 posted on 12/23/2009 6:13:10 AM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: rabscuttle385
The President released his birth certificate (which was verified by the Hawaii Health Department) yet conspiracy theorists refuse to see logic.

The whole argument hinges on this tidbit right here. And as far as I know, it is false. We have not seen the long-form birth certificate and so we cannot say if Obama was, or was not born in Hawaii.

The question being asked ("Is he a natural born citizen?") is a perfectly legitimate question. Obama has spent over $1M to avoid answering it.

7 posted on 12/23/2009 6:13:14 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Macbeth is ripe for shaking, and the powers above put on their instruments.)
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To: rabscuttle385

You assume he was born in Hi..

Show me the stuborn FACTS about where and when concerning his place of birth, then I’ll look at the rest of your diatribe; If needed.


8 posted on 12/23/2009 6:13:21 AM PST by maine yankee
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To: rabscuttle385

Facts are stubborn things. IF Obama’s Father is BRITISH CITIZEN Obama Senior, then Obama is not NBC under ANY law whether he was born in the USofA or Canada or Kenya.

Liberals try too hard and show their lack of comprehension as soon as they open their mouths or hit the keyboard.


9 posted on 12/23/2009 6:13:54 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Abortion-Euthanasia kills the very people for whom Social Justice is needed.)
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The President released his birth certificate (which was verified by the Hawaii Health Department)

NO such even has ocurred. BARRY HAS NEVER RELEASED HIS BC. The two HI officials have stated a brith certificate was obswerved in HI - ABSOLUTELY NO COMMENT HAS BEEN OFFERED REGARDING THE CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION ON WHETHER BARRY'S BIRTH MEETS THE NBC REQUIREMENTS BY HI OFFICIALS.
10 posted on 12/23/2009 6:14:01 AM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yet the section quoted in point #2 of his argument expressly does not refer to ‘natural born’, and he ignores the historical evidence of what ‘natural born’ means and meant. Psssh.


11 posted on 12/23/2009 6:14:07 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: rabscuttle385

You can contact Jamie at j.l.freeze@juno.com.


12 posted on 12/23/2009 6:14:35 AM PST by BushCountry (We divide into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.)
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1. Obama was born in Hawaii.

False.

He was born in Kenya. Multiple relatives, including his grandmother, say so.

He received a Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii a couple of years after it became a state, when it was catching up on legal paperwork. People could apply for a COLB long after the fact, with no evidence of anything.

The fact that Obama obviously has no intention of running for a second term proves that he knows he can't.

13 posted on 12/23/2009 6:14:40 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Interesting that Ms. Freeze’s incoherent diatribe is not set up to allow comments.

Another pathetic excuse for a lawyer being spewed out of one of America's law schools. And already arrogant to boot. Just what we need.

14 posted on 12/23/2009 6:15:38 AM PST by chrisser (Tweet not, lest ye a twit be.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Jamie Freeze’s brain must be FROZEN to push such an illogical simplistic argument!


15 posted on 12/23/2009 6:16:14 AM PST by A. Morgan (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. Lawrence)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The author is arguing here that Hawaii had no “long-form” birth certificate in 1961.


16 posted on 12/23/2009 6:16:34 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Why not spend $15.00 plus the .44 postange and have the actual birth certificate released and why hire lawyers to fight off those requests? That’s simple too and IF spending hundreds of thousands on lawyers to fight to keep from spending $15.00 plus .44 is not the height of incompetency, I don’t know what is.


17 posted on 12/23/2009 6:18:13 AM PST by DEsaxum
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To: rabscuttle385

Why post this nonsense?


18 posted on 12/23/2009 6:19:04 AM PST by devere
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To: rabscuttle385

the entire article is crap once it said that obama was born in Hawaii!!


19 posted on 12/23/2009 6:19:50 AM PST by dalereed
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