Posted on 12/14/2009 12:45:15 PM PST by SmithL
The halls aren't the only thing getting decked this holiday season.
The Salvation Army, the country's biggest charity, is taking it full on the chin from a social media network mobilized against the organization's position on homosexuality and other social sins. Twitter, Facebook and gay Web sites are lit up with protest and calls for donor boycotts.
The Army's official same-sex statement suggests it's unlikely those cheery volunteers ringing bells over red kettles will be donning gay apparel anytime soon.
While homosexuals are not "blameworthy," ... "Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex." The Army is an unabashedly evangelical, religious entity, after all, and has also resisted domestic partner benefits for its employees.
Last month, there was another stink about the Army's Houston division demanding to see Social Security cards of needy parents before providing toys for their kids. Angry protesters claimed this was discrimination against cardless illegal immigrants.
Before we take the predictable San Francisco, to-the-barricades view on all this, let's consider the Catholic concept of "proportionalism." This means (roughly, my interpretation) that bad conduct can be acceptable if a much greater good is being accomplished.
The Salvation Army served 33 million people in the United States last year. It raises about $2 billion a year and spends an impressive 89 percent of that on services - food, shelter, foster care and HIV programs.
It is a consistent and reliable disaster relief group.
"The first hand that reaches to pull you from the rubble of our next earthquake," Shea O'Neill wrote on the SFAppeal Web site last week, "will be the anti-gay hand of the Salvation Army."
There's no whitewashing their beliefs, if you oppose them, though the Army mission also is clear that its relief services are available to anyone "without regard to sexual orientation."
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Then they have changed their wording. It used to be as I stated.
“It doesnt change the fact that they are a homophobic organization.”
GOOD!
When the United Way was in the middle of a huge financial scandal the media published the salaries of head of major relief organizations. They were all making enough to assure them wealth for the rest of their lives when they retired. All, that is, except for the head of the SA who was receiving $20k/year, housing and a company car.
>> Sure they do good things. It doesnt change the fact that they are a homophobic organization
There is no such thing as homophobia.
People who are repelled by homosexuality are responding in the only healthy way to this disorder.
If you want to sell the false proposition that sodomy is in any way acceptable behavior, youre knocking on the wrong door. <<
More like “homorepusive” than a phobia.
Personally I think that people of consenting age can do what they want in their own bedchambers and charitable organizations can and should be free to set whatever standards they want for themselves even if they are not “socially acceptable by one group or another” provided they are not using taxpayer monies.
He is comparing unacceptable behaviors. Illustrating the slippery slope that society has succumbed to and expects all others to join in on.
We are talking about VOLUNTARY contributions here people not taxes. If you don’t like them, don’t give. Geez. Where the hell is everyone’s Christmas spirit?
“irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals”
Fear of sodomite predation on the young, aversion to the loathsome perversions sodomites are compelled to perform, and discrimination against sodomites in the effort to protect the innocent are all completely rational.
Not merely rational, these things are absolute moral imperatives.
Unacceptable to you and your made up God’s eyes...la
Am I a homophobe if I do not accept the homosexual lifestyle and I believe that homosexual sex is a grave sin against God?
You can count on that....and the SA will serve them just like anybody else...
I am ringing the bell again this year.
Re: “Sure they do good things. It doesnt change the fact that they are a homophobic organization.”
Please define what you mean by “homophobic”. The Salvation Army bases their moral standards on the teachings of the Bible. The Bible, in both Old and New Testaments, clearly teaches that homosexual behavior is a sin - just like rape, murder, adultery, etc.
Of course, you may believe that the Bible is “homophobic” because it teaches against homosexuality, and hence, the Salvation Army is “homophobic” because they stand by the Biblical teachings regarding these things. Is that what you are mean when you say that the Salvation Army is “homophobic”?
If so, the problem, for you anyway, is that any moral standard must then be described as “phobic” - i.e. thiefphobic, murdererphobic, adulteryphobic. Why? Because these are all acts that are taught to be sinful in the Bible and it sounds like you are saying that believing the Biblical teaching against homosexuality is “phobic” - therefore ANY act taught against in the Bible must also be “phobic” as well. Or, do I misunderstand you?
And what if there is no God? Please stop projecting your moral code on others.
The practice of homosexuality is a sin, it is not right, it is an abomination, it is destructive. Fear? I think not.
Homophobe is a ‘silence-code-word’ similar to Racist. It is used in all cases to try to silence one that speaks out. Used liberally in DU-land.
For me it began about a year ago. It seems like it started on January 20, 2009.
The Salvation Army is, and will remain, the ONLY organized charity that I contribute to. We do drop stuff off at our local food bank from time to time.
Our county has a 17% unemployment and people here are hurting. Not just the lazy scum, but good hard working folks. At least I know my charity money isn’t going to Obama, or paying for some thief to live even better than I am.
As for the gays... I couldn’t care less about what they think or feel.
The key with a United Way is to see if it is the “United Way of America” (BAD) or a United Way of [your town here].
Most local United Ways are first rate, act as a community chest, and, if the United Way funds a given charity, is a good indication that the charity: (A) has its financial ducks in a row and (B) meets some basic standards for actually doing charity work.
“They are a Church! Churches cannot be expected to accept sin of any kind.”
Quite to the contrary, I understand churches are conducting marriages, funerals for people everyday that they know to be “sinners” since all people are believed by said churches to be sinners.
I further understand churches are to love the sinner, not the sinful deed.
The SA does much good work with homless alcoholics and addicts.
Surely there is some bible passage by which their self-indulgent addictive lifestyles constitute “sin.”
Yet the SA helps them.
You think not? He would love that sinner, but condemn the sin. He would tell the sodomite to go forth and Sin No More, as He did the adultress. He loved and forgave her, and did draw the line on sinful behavior. Nice try.
Looks like the SA will get double from me this year...
I was interested to see if you posted at all on my Sarah, seems you have not. I can only assume you are not a Sarah fan because she is a Christian, pro life, pro family, Conservative. At least you have not bashed her here.
So you are fiscally conservative and that`s where it ends I guess?
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