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Obama to impose cap and trade unilaterally through EPA, executive order
Fox News Channel | 12/7/09

Posted on 12/07/2009 10:09:39 AM PST by pabianice

Per Fox. Obama will impose cap and trade through the EPA and executive order. White House spokesman quoted as saying that since the Senate seems unwilling to pass cap and trade, Obama is willing to do so by himself to "address the global warming crisis." This is timed to the Copenhagen fiasco of radical Warmists.

I am sure the Senate will stand-up to him. /S


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KEYWORDS: agenda; bhoenvironment; bhoeo; bhoepa; capandtrade; missinglink
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To: pabianice

Do you have a link or even the name of the person that reported this?


61 posted on 12/07/2009 1:20:26 PM PST by XenaLee (O)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Also, no guns there. Thanks but no thanks.


62 posted on 12/07/2009 1:21:36 PM PST by XenaLee (O)
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To: mo
We also have the Constitution itself:

Article 1, Section 7: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.

There is no stroke of the pen, law of the land in this case.

63 posted on 12/07/2009 1:22:23 PM PST by anoldafvet (If you set out to deliberately destroy the economy, what would you do different from Obama?)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

I’m hoping that the newest legal action (yet again) filed in Washington, DC by two lawyers (one of whom is Leo Donofrio) representing GM dealership people who were wiped out, and who had been in business 50+ years, is finally effective. The only place you can sue a sitting President is the Supreme Court or in Washington, DC. Evidently, in addition to this GM dealership suit there is also a Quo warranto suit demanding Obama prove citizenship. Also, Congressman Deal (GA) and nine others are demanding Obama provide proof of citizenship. Something, somewhere has to stick.


64 posted on 12/07/2009 1:26:07 PM PST by kiltie65
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To: anoldafvet

I’m sorry to be so cynical,

but do you really think that’s any obstacle?


65 posted on 12/07/2009 1:27:13 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: pabianice


66 posted on 12/07/2009 1:35:20 PM PST by antonia (A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow)
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To: XenaLee

Untrue XL. You might have to take a safety course, but you can get a gun.


67 posted on 12/07/2009 1:37:37 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: pabianice; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

RE :”Per Fox. Obama will impose cap and trade through the EPA and executive order”

That is fine. Just dont pass a law. Can he really impose ‘cap and trade fines’ without a law anyway
?

Reminds me of the reconciliation threats.


68 posted on 12/07/2009 1:53:44 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: autumnraine

By the way, can a President order an increase in taxes through Executive Order?

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If he does, anyone that pays them deserves to live in chains. It’s time to start kicking as* and taking names. Time to puch back and push back hard.


69 posted on 12/07/2009 2:00:47 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

It the US goes down, so does Canada. That, you can count on. Head South, not North.


70 posted on 12/07/2009 2:05:04 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: sickoflibs
Can he really impose ‘cap and trade fines’ without a law anyway

The Clean Air Act.

SCOTUS 2007: “A reduction in domestic emissions would slow the pace of global emissions increases, no matter what happens elsewhere.” Further, the Court ruled that “under the Act’s clear terms, EPA can avoid promulgating regulations only if it determines that greenhouse gases do not contribute to climate change or if it provides some reasonable explanation as to why it cannot or will not exercise its discretion to determine whether they do.” Finally, the Court found unreasonable EPA’s argument that regulation of CO2 in the transportation sector would not make significant reductions in emissions, noting that although enforcing regulations may not by itself reverse global warming, it is the duty of EPA to take such a step in order to “slow or reduce” global warming.

Even though this is a preposterous ruling, it's the SCOTUS.

71 posted on 12/07/2009 2:13:07 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Joe Wilson said "You lie!" in a room full of 500 politicians. Who was he talking about?)
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To: bert
How much CO2 is discharged from firing a round??

Hmmmm... deem ammunition a health hazard and ban it??

72 posted on 12/07/2009 2:18:00 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: mojitojoe
My friend, I do not wish any will for the great republic we share this continent with. I hope and pray for a strong US because a weak US does nothing for Canada or the rest of the world.

However, you are losing your country. It is being invaded from the south. You are losing your freedoms. If this story is true it could literally mean that the US federal government would be able to decide whether or not every single factory or place of business in the country can continue to operate. I'm not laughing about that, I'm crying. You guys are in real trouble. Your president is a disaster.

73 posted on 12/07/2009 2:20:35 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: DTogo

.....deem ammunition a health hazard and ban it?? .....

There is a far worse problem..... Beer. Everytime you drink a beer you release CO2. It never ever goes away.Ditto Coke, Pepsi, Dr Pepper, Seven Up, etc

The liquor and wine industries that release CO2 as a fermentation product are toast.

The EPA will demand the end to beer and carbonated beverages.

The end of the problem will come only with the end as in elimination of Rats.


74 posted on 12/07/2009 2:37:28 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: kara2008

Good God in heaven, ping!


75 posted on 12/07/2009 3:32:08 PM PST by RepublicanChick
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To: murphE; rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; ...
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Things like this, are what make the legitimacy issue a real and serious issue.

. . . . . comment #27.

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76 posted on 12/07/2009 5:06:34 PM PST by LucyT
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I just watched recorded Cavuto on FNC, and Beck and thought of my question. I didnt really understand the issue when I replied at work. It’s worse than I thought I admit!


77 posted on 12/07/2009 5:21:54 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: XenaLee

It’s all over the place. My GOD!!! We have just been slapped back to the stoneage, people! This is an absolute threat to the freedom of every human being on the planet, and if you don’t believe it, wait.
I ain’t waiting anymore. This is just the purest evil I have ever seen.
Most of us have been waiting for the next shoe to fall. This is it, y’all. This is your freedom TO BREATHE!!!!
It isn’t my Grandpap’s joke anymore. He always said they would figure out a way to tax the very air we breathe. This is a precursor to forced population control and that is what every one of these insane people have been calling for in one form or another since Hitler.
Well. It’s here and it’s here now. NOW WHAT!


78 posted on 12/07/2009 5:33:35 PM PST by MestaMachine (Your CORE is the path you walk. RINOs don't walk paths, they build roads to nowhere..)
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To: LucyT; murphE; rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76
"Things like this, are what make the legitimacy issue a real and serious issue."

Agreed. 100%. Being a usurper means that everything he does is unconstitutional. Completely unlawful. His eligibility (or lack thereof) is the #1 issue above and beyond all other issues.

79 posted on 12/07/2009 5:37:52 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: XenaLee

You sure are picky:-)

I earlier posted a WSJ opinion piece in which it is stated that EPA regulation would be far more expensive than the legislation on the table in Congress.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091207-709708.html

Nothing about an executive order, however. I don’t know what the author of this thread is using as a source.


80 posted on 12/07/2009 5:40:28 PM PST by La Enchiladita ("Take your name off the phone:" http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=9712_Tiger_Woods_Voice)
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