Posted on 11/19/2009 3:13:17 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
Creationists are ‘liars' (?): Geologist Donald Prothero doesn’t like the fact that we don’t agree with his ideas on evolution.
I love the attitude some evolutionists have toward professional, scientific debate. Because creationist scientists do not agree with their biased, subjective and unsubstantiated ideas they spit the dummy and call us liars.
The latest tirade from geologist Donald Prothero is in an opinion piece in NewScientist entitled ‘Evolution: What missing link?’1 I like that title.
His article was picked up by the Telegraph newspaper in the UK which reported, ‘Creationists “peddle lies about the fossil record”.’2
Lies? Are creationists really lying?
No!
It’s just that Prothero does not like the fact that we don’t agree with his ideas. It upsets him so much that he describes creationists in this way: ...
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
I don’t have tiem tonight Golf to look over my previous posts, but I’m prtetty sure I was talking about hte moderator i nanother thread and evos who lack the courage to at least be open about their insults and post them in the open instead of behind the scenes liek they were doing (we were talkign about the ‘stealth-insulters who were keyqword spammiong and insulting GGG behind his back)
[[“My question is to anyone, really. Why can’t you be devout in your religion AND believe in evolution?”]]
Because you either beleive God, Beleive His word, or you don’t- God specifically said He created man- He ALSO specifically said there was no spirit death before man sinned- which rules out evolution- IF evolution happened, then there most certainly would have had to be spirit death as animals suppsoedly evolved over millions of years liek hte hypothesis suggests- but God’s word tell us that there was no Nephesh death (All animal and human spirit) before man fell, and God would have had to have lied in His word if He infact used evolution- which He didn’t, and which He specifically tells us He created man unique and fully formed- and I’m sorry, but ripping apart God’s word to support evolution isn’t ‘interpreting scriptures’, but rather hacking His word to fit a hypothesis.
I think having been lied to by creationists on occasion makes me qualified to say that the possibility exists.
Oh, so some are more equal than the rest?
Going by the arguments that "they did it too!" there's not a dime's worth of difference between any of them.
Jesus was the one who said that He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no man comes to the Father but through Him.
It’s not my decision. He said it. Take it up with Him.
I don’t pay much attention to the keywords when I find a thread, unless there are none and they would be useful for me to find it again.
Otherwise if someone thinks that they’re being cute by posting insulting or ridiculing keywords, that’s their problem. It tells more about them than it does about the person who posted the thread.
See now, I am not on the 'creationists' go to person to validate their claims. But do I believe they are knowing lying, no, because what they believe was foretold would be. And likewise what the Darwinists claim as sanctioned science. AND the Darwinists managed to get themselves 'standing' by our Supremes, which was foretold as well. Which means if both sides are based upon untruths (hows that) there is NOT a dime's worth of difference because long term both are paths to a dead end.
Last night I meant to write I don’t want to argue in terms of anger, I want to understand Creationism.
The Main confusion that arose reading this thread is whose God created the universe. Do you all mean the Christian God created it? And where does that leave other religions?
CAN, yes; but in the same way you ask if they would admit to lying you would also have to admit that the other side would be expected to do the same. I think we can both agree that we should not "expect" anything from either side but look at the evidence from both sides in an "asymmetrical" way (with skepticism) and then way the facts, evidence, for ourselves.
But it is not working out this way in Universities or in the elite science communities; the movie, "Expelled," makes a good point of this. If you have not seen this movie, I recommend it.
Until next time...
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No offense, but what does that have to do with evolution?
Why should I not be skeptical of the movie?
OK. You believe they are telling the truth, as a matter of religious faith, and do not think it's appropriate to consider that they might be lying.
It doesn’t have anything to do with evolution, but neither did the comment of yours that my comment was a response to.
Metmom, it wasn’t the title that they’re “liars” that made me read this thread, it was the subject of creationism.
When I first began reading this it was confusing to me because it seemed to discuss Christianity more than Creationism.
I’m just asking what does Christianity have to do with Creationism and how does that affect all other religions?
The kind of creationism that the evos respond to and that is involved in these discussions is the Biblical creation account found in Genesis, which is why Christianity plays so much into it.
I don’t know how that effects other religions, nor why it would.
The way posters were bringing up Christianity to the exclusion of mentioning other religions clouded the clarity of the discussion and made me think it was exclusive to the Trinity.
Many religions precede Christianity. Does creationism and Christianity believe the others can go to heaven, too?
Creationism doesn’t address the issue of salvation. It’s merely the belief of how God created the universe and world and life in it, that it was done according to what the Bible says in Genesis.
Here’s a link to an online Bible starting in Genesis Chapter 1.
The way of salvation that’s outlined in the Bible was already addressed in post 284.
Anyone can go, but there’s only one way, through Jesus.
Our sin is against God and we are answerable to Him for it. Sin must be punished and Jesus took the punishment for our sin on Himself. By asking Him to forgive us, God forgives us because of our trusting in Jesus. We can’t earn our way to heaven because that doesn’t remove our guilt. That’s why other ways to heaven don’t work.
Why is Jesus and salvation so prominent in creation? Or why is Jesus and salvation so prominent in this thread?
I have many questions, it’s hard not to ask them all at once.
I’m going to have to get back to you on that. My son is coming in from college for the week and will be home soon.
I’ll get back to you later when things have settled down some; likely later today, but not immediately.
Enjoy your visit. Is he home through the new year?
“Last night I meant to write I don’t want to argue in terms of anger, I want to understand Creationism.” [excerpt]Got it.
“The Main confusion that arose reading this thread is whose God created the universe. Do you all mean the Christian God created it?” [excerpt]Not to speak for everyone, but that is my belief.
“And where does that leave other religions?” [excerpt]Someone [I can't remember who] once said [to the effect] that any given religion is another religion's heresy. (I can't find the quote and my memory isn't doing it justice)
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)I imagine that many religions would be left out in the cold by those verses.
But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. —1st Corinthians 8:5,6
For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; —1st Timothy 2:5
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