Posted on 11/19/2009 3:13:17 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
Creationists are ‘liars' (?): Geologist Donald Prothero doesn’t like the fact that we don’t agree with his ideas on evolution.
I love the attitude some evolutionists have toward professional, scientific debate. Because creationist scientists do not agree with their biased, subjective and unsubstantiated ideas they spit the dummy and call us liars.
The latest tirade from geologist Donald Prothero is in an opinion piece in NewScientist entitled ‘Evolution: What missing link?’1 I like that title.
His article was picked up by the Telegraph newspaper in the UK which reported, ‘Creationists “peddle lies about the fossil record”.’2
Lies? Are creationists really lying?
No!
It’s just that Prothero does not like the fact that we don’t agree with his ideas. It upsets him so much that he describes creationists in this way: ...
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Because I don't user your litmus test, and I refuse to conform to your idea of what "all evo's" are or do.
Again, why did you need to accept Christ? Why did a second Adam have to come? Why did Jesus, whom you say you believe, assume the creation story? Oh, I could write and write but I’m tired of it! If you don’t believe what God said directly about His creation, you don’t believe God. Believing God is what gives you a righteous account with Him. There are people of whom God will say “I never knew you.”
Didn’t push the issue!? Immaterial to His plan!? I’m sure there’s a word for what you just did.
How many times is 7 day creation mentioned in the Bible?
What’s your criteria, then, for determining is someone is a real scientist if having a degree isn’t enough?
And how do you determine that someone without a degree qualifies as a *real scientist*?
How do you determine that someone who has a degree isn’t a real scientist?
From what I’ve found is theistic-evo’s are really religionists who never read their Bibles and if they do read it, they approach it as fairy tales/Parables. So one piece of info they lack is the nature, opinions, law, and judgments of their creator. Secondly, they lack unbiased information. Most of their research is so based on faulty assumptions that the whole becomes corrupt.
That’s a pretty broad subject, but generally if they’re just too lazy to actually do research and are just making stuff up to try and get money or notoriety for it I don’t consider them to be “real scientists”, regardless if they have academic credentials or not.
I have detailed that what you thought you knew about how cladograms are constructed and confirmed based entirely upon morphological features was in error. What more do I need to show that that what you said was incorrect than that cladograms are ACTUALLY confirmed by DNA analysis?
To you science will always be “mumbo jumbo” because you don't understand it, and have shown no interest in actually gaining any understanding of it.
You would rather repeat a misrepresentation about how the actual science is done.
Creationists misrepresent science out of necessity.
“there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”
Pope Benedict XVI
metmom to Wacka: “So you were the one who reported to the mods, eh?”
No he was just the one who popped into a thread to pull his usual crap of insulting Creationsits- He stuck his nose into a thread where it didn’t belong for hte sole purpose of acting liek a child because he can’t stand hte fact that Creationists have a voice on this forum, and post interesting articles about which support creation and refute evolution- He and his fellow evos of likemind tried to manipulate Jim and hte mods to move GGG’s threads to the religion forums because they couldn’t stand hte fact that people might get the truth in the general forums, and when Jim told them to go pound sand, they then began keyword spamming GGG’s threads and insulting him behind his back like little kids throwing a temper tantrum- their arguments aren’t solid enough to refute anythign GGG posts, so they have to resort to childish acts liek stealth-insulting to ‘get hteir revenge’ and to try to manipulate them ods. That thread had a mod who was hypocritical and, as you found out, hostile to creationsits, as you found out after he/she deleted your content relevent questions aobut the subject- and he/she didn’t liek my pointing htese facts out, and hten also acted liek a child- birds of a feather and all that.
Yeah, I'm sure it was a creationist who perpetrated Piltdown Man, or archaeoraptor, or hurriedly misclassified Lucy, the Hobbit, and any other number of primate fossils in a bid to bolster the ToE.
So, where to those who think that they're scientists get off acting like they're THE FINAL WORD on truth? Scientists aren't ever wrong? They don't ever misrepresent science for personal or professional gain?
They never fudge results to make themselves look better?
They're just paragons of virtue and integrity and everyone can always trust implicitly everything a scientist has to say because they're never wrong?
That's a whole different topic.
Nothing is misclassified about Lucy, she is an australopithocine. But again if you rely upon creationist sources you will be misinformed; because creationists misrepresent science out of necessity.
A theory in science is accepted provisionally, awaiting contradictory data to change and adjust. It is only small minded creationist who think that anything that contradicts their “FINAL WORD” must also be claiming to be the “FINAL WORD” but again, it just shows how ignorant creationists are about science, its findings, and its methodology.
Science has an unparalleled track record of being accurate in its findings and predictions about the physical world. Theological musings about how reality SHOULD be constructed based upon scripture.... not so much. Such thinking leads to Geocentrism and hydroplaning continents and other such lunacy.
I honestly don’t care about one thing the Pope says. I care what the Bible says. And God has a lot to say about this subject.
2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
1Ti 6:20,21 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
I think the pope will say, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?”
Makes you sound too much like a zealot? Makes your argument sound absurd on its face?
Why so afraid of answering the question?
If I am going to be turned away from Heaven for accepting a scientific theory, would not the Pope be turned away also?
People wont go to Hell because they believe in Evolution, they believe in Evolution because they’ve rejected God by rejecting His revelation.
[[People wont go to Hell because they believe in Evolution, they believe in Evolution because they’ve rejected God by rejecting His revelation.]]
I’m afraid that distinction is goign to go right over his head- and you’ll spend all day goign round and round with AM with him tryign to get you to commit to ‘all people hwo beleive in evolution are goign to hell’ which of course is quite clear that this is NOT the position you take- but again- you’ll never get this through to AM
[[Yeah, I’m sure it was a creationist who perpetrated Piltdown Man, or archaeoraptor, or hurriedly misclassified Lucy, the Hobbit, and any other number of primate fossils in a bid to bolster the ToE.]]
Not to mention that goign WAY beyond the science using assumptions and extrapolations which do NOT fit the evidence is apparently the ‘science’ that we’re all supposedly ‘ignorant about’- after all- their dating methods (which are riddled with problems) show that somethign is ‘millions of years old’ and anyone questioning the methods used to date material, and presentign facts which point out hte problems with the methods used, is apparently ‘manipul;ating science’.
The evos know their hypothesis is in deep trouble, and apparently al lthey can manage is to call anyone who doesn’;t buy into TOE unscientific. GGG has presented reams of evidnece refuting the claims of evolution, exposiong the extrapolated and unwarrented assumptions by evolution advocates, and all we EVER hear from some on FR who support TOE are insults about GGG, insults about the article writers, and attacks o ntheir characters- the evos are never interested in discussing the articles, nor of providing evidence contrary to hte articles (apparentl because they can’t find any evidence)- and all they can do is yammer on about how we suppsoedly don’t know WTH we’re talking about- despite the fact we’re the ones presenting hte evidence that refutes TOE claims, exposing the problems with the TOE, and hsowing that nature is incapable of the miraculous events which they claim happened, and they show that they themselves can’t refute the issues with any scientifically valid arguments
Would to God I’ll be called a zealot when I stand before Him. I don’t really know if the Pope is going to Hell. He’ll probably be among the number of most, if not all, the popes through history who are now burning there for rejecting Christ’s blood as full payment for their sins.
Those who choose to live according to their works will be judged by their works. Salvation is by grace alone and not of works. If one rejects that, and trusts in their religion, they’ll be judged according to that and found wanting. All popes have lived according to that doctrine and by scripture we know their fate. Maybe some have rejected that doctrine of devils and found true salvation, I’m not sure, never heard of any.
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