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Constitutional Ignorance Reigns Supreme on Capitol Hill
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 11-9-09 | Bob Barr

Posted on 11/09/2009 8:18:04 AM PST by AmericanHunter

Hello – is there anybody out there who still believes our leaders in Washington care about what the Constitution of the United States says? Or what it was intended to mean? Or even that it exists? If there actually is anybody out there who still believes this, recent discussions on Capitol Hill about proposed federal legislation should dispel such thought from the minds of even the most die-hard optimists.

Legislation dealing with the delivery and cost of health care in the United States is nearing votes in both houses of the Congress. Although differing significantly in their details, the primary proposals in both the House and the Senate establish clearly it will be the heavy hand of the federal government, not patients and their doctors, who will be controlling health care decision-making in the decades to come.

With such a massively expensive and substantively far-reaching piece of legislation being debated at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, one would hope that our “leaders” in Washington, DC might at least pretend to articulate a constitutional justification. It wouldn’t be that hard, considering the precedents available at least since the 1930s for finding a justification for even the most intrusive government programs and regulations hiding somewhere in that magnificent document. Even were the infamous “commerce clause” deemed not sufficient to provide a justification for a government program, the always popular “general welfare clause” could be dragged out to provide constitutional cover.

In this age of constitutional ignorance, however, Nanny State proponents don’t even bother pretending to provide a constitutional underpinning for whatever government–based and taxpayer-funded program they advocate. HR 3962, the massive “Affordable Health Care for America Act of 2009,” is almost 2,000 pages long and would spend more than 1.2 trillion taxpayer dollars, but contains nary a reference to the Constitution; no wave of the hand to “general welfare” or even a passing homage to the “commerce clause.”

In fact, when asked recently by a reporter if the health care bill was “constitutional,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi responded disdainfully, “Are you serious? Are you serious?” Obviously, she never answered the question.

The reason Pelosi never answered the question about the constitutional foundation for the legislation, is because quite simply, there is none. There is no legitimate basis in the Constitution for the government to control decisions regarding what health care a person receives, what medical services and medications are appropriate for a patient, who is to pay for those services and products and how much they are to cost. Of course, for a federal government that recently concluded it is proper to bail out some private business but not others, to purchase controlling interest in some corporations but not others, and to honor certain contracts but not others, it’s not really that big a step to directly control individual health care.

The response to another question about the constitutionality of a proposed federal edict is even more revealing of the low esteem in which many congressional leaders hold that once sacred document. West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, who chairs the Commerce Committee, apparently is peeved about people who “text” with their handheld electronic devices while driving. Not content to leave responsibility for addressing the problem to the several states, through long-standing laws that allow civil suits and criminal prosecutions of persons who cause accidents while driving negligently (for whatever reason, including being distracted by an electronic device), Rockefeller is proposing federal legislation to ban “texting” while driving.

At a recent Commerce Committee hearing, during which concerns were raised about the constitutionality of such legislation, and about the principle of “federalism,” Rockefeller proudly proclaimed his constitutional disinterest thus — “I don’t really give a hoot about states’ rights or federal rights on this one. I care about results.” The “results” include another nail in the coffin of constitutional governance in the United States.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; congress; constitution; democrats; illegal; laws; nationoflaws; pelosi; scotus; unconstitutional
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1 posted on 11/09/2009 8:18:05 AM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: AmericanHunter

I have a question. If the President or the Supreme Court won’t stop unConstitutional legislation, what will stop it? All that is left after that are the people.


2 posted on 11/09/2009 8:20:13 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas
All that is left after that are the people.

You just answered your own question.

3 posted on 11/09/2009 8:21:38 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Republic of Texas

You are correct. I keep asking myself what it’s going to take for the American people to rise up against the traitors and tyrants in D.C.


4 posted on 11/09/2009 8:22:33 AM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: Republic of Texas

Is it really hard to understand why they ignore the Constitution? They have proved time and time again that they hate to read - bills, constitution, bill of rights, founding fathers quotes, etc., etc.


5 posted on 11/09/2009 8:23:14 AM PST by Core_Conservative (Proud to be "The self-righteous, gun-totin, military lovin, abortion-hatin, gay-loathin'...")
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To: AmericanHunter
“I don’t really give a hoot about states’ rights or federal rights on this one. I care about results.” The “results” include another nail in the coffin of constitutional governance in the United States.

You got to break some eggs to make an omelet - comrade.

6 posted on 11/09/2009 8:23:20 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: unixfox

It was rhetorical. Obviously the Supreme Court is busy finding new rights rather than limiting Congress, so it will ultimately be the States or the people themselves that will have to end this madness.


7 posted on 11/09/2009 8:23:46 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas; AmericanHunter
All that is left after that are the people.

Or not. 30% of people polled "strongly approve" of the unconstitutional job the POTUS is doing.

48% approve or strongly approve.

Are you kidding me?

The people get the government they deserve.

8 posted on 11/09/2009 8:25:53 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Republic of Texas

I think there is a chance that this bill will not pass. If it does it can be tied up in court for years. I’m fairly confident it would die a quick death at the supreme court. There is no way it can be considered constitutional in any way.


9 posted on 11/09/2009 8:25:56 AM PST by refermech
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To: Republic of Texas

With an entire political class that pretends the Constitution doesn’t exist, and treats their sacred oath of office like a mere formality, the people themselves, and whatever habits of liberty still remain ingrained in them, are the only thing standing between us and the grossest forms of tyranny.


10 posted on 11/09/2009 8:26:17 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Partisans only for principle. - America's Independent Party - AIPNews.com)
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To: refermech

That’s what they said about abortion.


11 posted on 11/09/2009 8:27:04 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: AmericanHunter
Washington DC has declared War on America and Americans. We wring our hands while this goes from bad to worse and play Nice with the leftist Scum and have to be PC on top of it!!!! Bunk!
12 posted on 11/09/2009 8:27:15 AM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: AmericanHunter
The reason Pelosi never answered the question about the constitutional foundation for the legislation, is because quite simply, there is none. There is no legitimate basis in the Constitution for the government to control decisions regarding what health care a person receives, what medical services and medications are appropriate for a patient, who is to pay for those services and products and how much they are to cost.

I disagree with Barr. The Commerce Clause as butchered by the SCOTUS over the last 100 years provides a catch-all, constitutional basis for just about every law that Congress passes.

13 posted on 11/09/2009 8:27:40 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Core_Conservative

Leftists ignore the Constitution out of arrogance.

They simply think they “know better” than those who wrote the Constitution.


14 posted on 11/09/2009 8:27:45 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: AmericanHunter

15 posted on 11/09/2009 8:28:03 AM PST by End_Clintonism_Now (POLITICAL DISSIDENT as of 11/4/08)
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To: sam_paine

I agree. I’m not that optimistic either, but if things get bad enough, people change their mind. It might take 70 years like it did in the Soviet Union, but people change their minds.


16 posted on 11/09/2009 8:29:00 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: refermech

“I’m fairly confident it would die a quick death at the supreme court. There is no way it can be considered constitutional in any way.”

After Filburn, Kelo, Raich, etc., I’m not so sure the supreme court will protect us from the fed’s power grabs.


17 posted on 11/09/2009 8:29:00 AM PST by AmericanHunter
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To: AmericanHunter
is there anybody out there who still believes our leaders in Washington care about what the Constitution of the United States says?

If there are, they need a reality check.

If we're sitting around discussing the rulebook while our opponent is moving his pieces into an unassailable position, we're going to lose. And this is not a game we want to lose!

Once the gameplay has in effect chucked the rules, our only course is to make our own play for power. The stakes are too high to do otherwise.

Yes, of course this means abandoning the constitutional republic. But clinging to a sinking ship only ensures a watery grave.
18 posted on 11/09/2009 8:29:39 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: End_Clintonism_Now

El douche’!


19 posted on 11/09/2009 8:30:34 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: AmericanHunter
It's all about that “Living Breathing Document/Change you can believe in.” thingy. By golly!

And who needs to even consider it in this day and age? It's old and out of date and not in tune with the way modern times demand it to be.

So, just ignore it. (Pelosi)

20 posted on 11/09/2009 8:32:22 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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