Posted on 11/03/2009 9:22:41 PM PST by tricky_k_1972
Yes, to some extant. The RINO’s will be out in force over this one, declaring that they have what it takes to win - and conservative should meekly sit in the back, stay quiet, and vote for the other version of democrat. In all such cases, there’s endless room for conjecture, which the talking heads will be making to no end. If Hoffman hadn’t existed would Scuzzy have won? Who knows? Or if conversely Hoffman had been the nominee all along, would those 6k votes that Scuzzy leeched off have automatically flowed to him, ensuring his win?
In any event, the race was close - which just shows the work we have ahead of us, saving the country from it’s worse self.
Why? Still more than 10,000 absentee ballots out there, as well as several precincts not counted.
Oh, I know, following FRed’s example in SC. (know that I love FRed, but he just didn’t fight like he should have, and gave up too soon.)
A LOT!
Consider that Hoffman was barely in contention (two) weeks ago. Since then he came to the forefront, the NY Repub council was rebuked, Dede S was shown to be a two faced candidate, Newt G was shown again to not be a conserv/repub... and more.....
If that’s the case, then we won...we forced the fake republican out..the Conservative, as bad of a candidate he was, still made a great showing. Let’s not pine over this..we have much to celebrate tonight.
I’m not knocking em. Just saying what I think the spin will be. I’m happy for my state of NJ. I’m hoping Christie can do some good. And I’m happy that the race also had national implications.
Owens Takes New York’s 23rd Congressional District
On Fox Now.
Good Lord....no sniveling please.
Take your big boy pill.
“What happened?”
18% of the voters were undecided, according to the polls, so they decided the race. I resent “undecided” people who don’t know what’s going on, making the decision at the last minute.
But Hoffman still did very well, considering he was a third party candidate, and entered the race late. Hoffman sent a MESSAGE to the RINOs. The base does not want RINOs.
If the RINO party bosses in the 23rd district supported Hoffman instead of Dede, I believe Hoffman would have won.
Perhaps.
But if you look at this race + the other 2, the incumbent party lost all 3 of them. Hoffman looks like he’ll end up being the closest, and it really looks like her endorsement of Owens on Sunday really tipped the scales.
If she had stayed on the team or even remained silent, Hoffman probably wins.
But I don’t see this as a repudiation or anything. A 3rd party guy got 45% in what has to be close to a record for a conservative party candidate in NY. He was around 20% 10 days ago.
The media will try to paint it as such, but the same people supporting Hoffman by and large also backed McDonnell and Christie and they both won.
Also, Hoffman was a bit of a latecomer, unknown, apparently didn’t debate, had never run for anything or even been involved in politics before etc... Christie and McDonnell were campaigning for months, were known figures involved in their states for years, crossed the state, etc... It’s tough to just show up and win in the last 2 weeks, especially with a fractured party and what happened over the weekend with her backing the dem.
It’s a much bigger repudiation of Obama who actually campaigned heavily for Corzine and put up billboards with him on them and was all over his campaign ads and literature, same in VA to a lesser extent.
For the Obama backed incumbent billionaire to lose in NJ when Obama won it by 15 and VA when the dems had been on a roll there the last few yrs is much bigger than a guy who no one in NY-23 had likely heard of as of Columbus Day losing by a few pts in district Obama carried and one where he was at 20% 10 days before the election.
It’s not like Palin or any of these other conservatives heavily campaigned for him or did rallies or anything(as seen in GA maybe that makes a difference). They basically gave him a boost and made him a viable candidate.
We really have to see the exit polls to get a better idea. If Indys went heavily for Owens maybe something’s there, but until you know why the vote ended up as it did, it’s premature to speculate on the reasons.
Governors are a huge advantage in a presidential race. Obama’s administration is a joke and this electin demonstrates (a) RINOs will lose because WE say they will lose, and (b) The tide has turned on Communism in the USA. Obama is a one term president and Obama Care is toast...
Newt was right. We should of supported Suzzafava.
/sarc
But she still got +/- 5% of the vote ... enough to throw it to Owens.
The GOP was the third party in this case, and they played the spoiler.
There was dirty politics involved(as if there are clean politics) but it is what it is. Newt has lost all credibility as far as I am concerned. By the way isn't trying to sell a book about The Constitution right now? Don't buy it as he knows nothing about the subject.
Ed Rendell (D-PA) and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (D-FL) were crowing all over Fox News earlier tonight that Owens was going to win. This was much earlier tonight when no one had a clue as to how NY-23 would shake out. Makes me wonder what really went on behind the scenes in this race...
I'm with you on your analysis as to the way it will be spun. But they are wrong; it was lost because of the crappy candidate the GOP put up; lost because of the nearly million dollars the national party put up supporting a bad candidate, and lost because by the time the conservatives focused on the seat, ballots had already been printed and time to take action was limited.
The win was that we didn't end up with a RINO/DIABLO that made a mockery of our values and showed her true colors with her support of Owens. We are well off to be rid of her. And another win is that it sent a message to the national GOP not to support RINO's. Of course, whether that message is acted upon is another matter.
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