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A "Brite" Who is Actually a "Know Nothing" (Dawkins: Catholic Church "greatest force for evil")
Discovery Institute ^ | October 27, 2009 | Bruce Chapman

Posted on 10/27/2009 6:46:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

In America we are a century and a half away from the "Know-Nothing Party", a secret political society that fulminated against the Catholic Church and Irish immigrants. (Asked about its composition, members would say, "I know nothing;" hence, the moniker.) Formed in public as The American Party, the party's hateful, nativist politics took a long time to expunge from our shores. But we now have an Englishman, Richard Dawkins--one of society's "Brites" according to his fellow-Darwinist, Daniel Dennett--in a screed against the Catholic Church that proclaims the same frothing bigotry exemplified by the Know-Nothings. This and Dawkins' various other attacks should remind us that the hoary religious hatreds of old (including those of the angry atheist) were a European legacy. Catholics and other Christians need to realize that Dawkins and Company aim to revive them.

Rome is possibly "the greatest force for evil in the world," Dawkins announces, "a disgusting institution" that is "dragging its flowing skirts in the dirt and touting for business like a common pimp." That kind of language is like a blast of stale air from the 1850s.

You cannot expect his fellow Darwinists to repudiate Dawkins for the simple reason that a number (e.g., P.Z. Myers) share his prejudices and his paranoia. Darwinism never was mainly about science; it is about metaphysics. It is a worldview that has no space for the sacred, no regard for the exceptionality of human life. Darwinists, who operate few if any hospitals or homeless shelters, cannot recognize the humanity of those who do.

Dawkins is not an oddity. He is the world's leading Darwinian spokesman. He is hailed at universities, museums and foundations. Publications like The Washington Post and The New York Times--that simply will not run an article by scientists presenting the evidence against Darwinism--can't showcase him enough.

Other than such Know Nothings, what other modern bigots are regarded as so fashionable?


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To: ElectricStrawberry
Your method would purposely toss that percentage that does not into their graves, so spare me the “hey, if you want more people to die” nonsense.

If you want less people to die, teach abstinence. The numbers don't lie. If you want more people to die, teach condoms. How many Russian Roulette arenas would you encourage people (e.g., your children) to enter, with a one percent chance there's a bullet in the chamber?

101 posted on 10/28/2009 9:16:16 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Rutles4Ever

I thought none of this mattered because HIV doesn’t cause AIDS?


102 posted on 10/28/2009 9:18:15 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: ElectricStrawberry
I’m in the business of saving lives by all means, not caring about your religious sensibility or morality-rules.

Ironically, this whole argument circles back to Darwin, doesn't it? I mean, in the end, it's just survival of the fittest. Behind one door, we have certain survival. Behind this other door over here, we have not-so-certain survival. If "not-so-certain" survival is acceptable to you, then, really, how interested are you in saving lives in the first place?

103 posted on 10/28/2009 9:21:14 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: ElectricStrawberry; Rutles4Ever
"You can teach abstinence-only to a population and a percentage will abide by it.....a percentage will not."

There is no disputing that AIDS is a behavioral based epidemic. The question is really about whether we modify the behavior and/or mitigate the consequences of the behavior. An abstinence only policy, by definition should be the first choice, but it will not be 100% effective only because in practice it will not be 100% followed. A condoms only policy will not be 100% effective because condoms and condom usage practices are not 100% error free. It should be advocated when abstinence is not observed.

104 posted on 10/28/2009 9:21:39 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: ElectricStrawberry

>>I AM saying that purposely lying about condoms is an atrocious behavior on the part of the Church<<

The Catholic Church does not lie about condom use.
It states facts, condom use does not prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS.

The facts are clear.

Hellsbells, they can’t guarantee to prevent pregnancy! And the lib attitude of “throw condoms at the problem” has solved NOTHING.

So why don’t you give us a reference to where the Vatican says that a condom cannot be used by a married couple in self defense if one or another is HIV positive. It is left to pastoral care. My uterus would blow out if I got pregnant again. I was allowed to “do what needed to be done”.

And I mean, from the Vatican. Not the AP or Reuters giving a summary. Here is the actual quote from the Pope. See that there is nothing about married couples there

The question’s premise was “The Catholic Church’s position on the way to fight against AIDS is often considered unrealistic and ineffective,” and the pope responded:

“I would say the opposite. I think that the reality that is most effective, the most present and the strongest in the fight against AIDS, is precisely that of the Catholic Church, with its programs and its diversity. I think of the Sant’Egidio Community, which does so much visibly and invisibly in the fight against AIDS … and of all the sisters at the service of the sick.

“I would say that one cannot overcome this problem of AIDS only with money — which is important, but if there is no soul, no people who know how to use it, (money) doesn’t help. One cannot overcome the problem with the distribution of condoms. On the contrary, they increase the problem. The solution can only be a double one: first, a humanization of sexuality, that is, a spiritual human renewal that brings with it a new way of behaving with one another; second, a true friendship even and especially with those who suffer, and a willingness to make personal sacrifices and to be with the suffering. And these are factors that help and that result in real and visible progress.

“Therefore I would say this is our double strength — to renew the human being from the inside, to give him spiritual human strength for proper behavior regarding one’s own body and toward the other person, and the capacity to suffer with the suffering. … I think this is the proper response and the church is doing this, and so it offers a great and important contribution. I thank all those who are doing this.”


105 posted on 10/28/2009 9:43:59 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: wmfights
It's a bad comparison. There is nothing in the New Testament that teaches Christians should kill those who don't believe. If a church has gone "off the rails" it was operating outside of Scripture.

Excellent. Thank you.

106 posted on 10/28/2009 10:46:34 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: netmilsmom
“Are condoms a good way to avoid being infected with HIV?

They're not even considered a really good way to keep from getting pregnant?

Why would people be stupid enough to think that they're do much to prevent AIDS?

107 posted on 10/28/2009 10:48:17 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Petronski; wagglebee
I remain convinced (and/or hopeful) that the true proportion of rabid Catholic-hating freaks among protestants is vanishingly small.

Ditto. I don't know anybody in real life who feels about Catholics the way the malcontents portray them.

I know far too many Protestants who have either converted from Catholicism or have Catholics as relatives.

That said, disagreeing with some aspects of Catholic doctrine, does not qualify one as being a *rabid anti-Catholic* or a *Catholic hater*.

It simply means that one disagrees with some aspects of Catholic doctrine.

108 posted on 10/28/2009 10:52:14 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
That said, disagreeing with some aspects of Catholic doctrine, does not qualify one as being a *rabid anti-Catholic* or a *Catholic hater*.

Of course not. There are hundreds of millions of people (billions) who disagree with aspects of Catholic doctrine without hating Catholics or the Catholic Church.

109 posted on 10/28/2009 10:54:33 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: metmom; Petronski
Ditto. I don't know anybody in real life who feels about Catholics the way the malcontents portray them.

I know far too many Protestants who have either converted from Catholicism or have Catholics as relatives.

That said, disagreeing with some aspects of Catholic doctrine, does not qualify one as being a *rabid anti-Catholic* or a *Catholic hater*.

I'm inclined to agree with both of you; HOWEVER, it also needs to be pointed out that just about every anti-Catholic bigot on FR claims to either be a former Catholic or at least married to a former Catholic and they ALL claim to have many close personal friends who are Catholics. (Then again, I have started to suspect that in the case of many of them, they are simply following a script of talking points).

110 posted on 10/28/2009 11:01:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Agreed.


111 posted on 10/28/2009 11:03:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

Ah, the old *I don’t hate _____. Some of my best friends......*

Not buying today.....


112 posted on 10/28/2009 11:05:03 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Sometimes slander and insult are an honor.


113 posted on 10/28/2009 11:07:55 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: wagglebee; Petronski; trisham

Well, mark me down as one former Catholic who disagrees with some Catholic doctrine, but has a great deal of respect for many of the Catholics I know and for the bold and outspoken stand that Catholic Church has taken on many doctrinal and moral issues, especially, abortion and marriage.


114 posted on 10/28/2009 11:08:13 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Thank you, metmom!


115 posted on 10/28/2009 11:11:59 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry; netmilsmom
Assessing the consequences of the use of Artificial Birth Control and Prophylactics MAY be hampered by excessively narrow vision.

I think Eberstadt's article here is a good place to begin in understanding the full costs

116 posted on 10/28/2009 12:05:35 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: metmom

You are quite righteous, Ma’am!


117 posted on 10/28/2009 12:19:18 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Dawkins is an imbecile who’s time has passed. Outside of England he’s not a leader in anything. He’s a joke.

But Mr.Chapman shows why Reagan had so much trouble making progress shrinking the size of the Federal government if this is an example of the average policy wonks in his administration.

This article is unbelievably ignorant and devoid of facts, except for the part about Dawkins’ frothing bigotry.


118 posted on 10/28/2009 12:19:44 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: GodGunsGuts

Dawkins has lost all his Protestantism except his hatred for Rome. Meanwhile the Muslims are gaining strength and if they become a majority will reduce him—or his kind— to silence, or maybe slavery.


119 posted on 10/28/2009 12:39:50 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: pnh102

He chooses his words carefully when talking about Islam. he knows they conceal daggers underneath their burkas. (I mean, how do you distinguished a man from a woman if the person is wearing one of those things.


120 posted on 10/28/2009 12:42:27 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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