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How Can Glenn Beck Be Right on So Much and Yet Still Believe the book of Mormon? (serious question)

Posted on 10/26/2009 7:51:02 AM PDT by Scythian

I'm a huge Beck fan, in fact I'm listening right now here

http://www.ksfa860.com/common/gap_streamer.php

but something really confuses me. It takes the ability to use real critical thinking to know what Beck (and most of us know about the state of the country and where we are heading). That is, we have the ability to discover the truth no matter how much the media or conventional wisdom try to hide it. Yet on Mormonism, Beck is cleary wrong. Any Christian knows that the book or momonism is severely flawed and that Joseph Smith was no prophet. How can Beck cut through all the chaff of what is going on in our world and come to the truth and yet believe the writings of Joseph Smith? It doesn't make sense? I'm not saying he's up to something secret, not by any means, it's just that he's so right about so many things and completely wrong on the most important thing. Now, he just said on the air that he believes Jesus is the Savior of the world and that he is Mormon.

I also think that because he is Mormon he is not attacked near as much if he was a Evangelical Bible only believer. Anyway, am I nutz or does Beck being a Mormon seem bizarre?


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To: Colofornian

I do not suffer idiots, bigots, pious, judgmental, FOS persons easily...it appears you fall into several of these categories.


381 posted on 10/26/2009 3:30:01 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (Not supporting a corrupt, Marxist, Socialist President makes me a racist?!? Then a racist I am!!!)
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To: Tax Government
 
 It’s opinionated, nasty Mormon bashing, 24/7.
 
I just HATE when that happens!!!
 



 

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



 

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)



382 posted on 10/26/2009 3:30:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HamiltonJay
His wife decided that’s what she wanted, and he followed along.

'Taint what it sounded like to ME!

383 posted on 10/26/2009 3:31:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tax Government
It’s a statement of truth.

I wish some MORMON in this thread could point out the TRUTH of what Joseph Smith said, concerning what he LEARNED to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism.

I'm beginning think he made it up!

384 posted on 10/26/2009 3:32:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: top 2 toe red
I have never spoken to you. I am an ex-mormon. Yes I have judged the veracity of the religion of my birth and found it to be less than the truth. I am now mainstream Christian.

I am sorry if that disturbs you. I won't be quiet to avoid your sensibilities.

Good day to you.

385 posted on 10/26/2009 3:33:08 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Skenderbej

Maybe the rest of the eight or so are still on bended knee trying to ‘save’ Beck & Romney’s souls from eternal damnation!


386 posted on 10/26/2009 3:33:29 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (Not supporting a corrupt, Marxist, Socialist President makes me a racist?!? Then a racist I am!!!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
...I would rather have him than O’Zero in the WH.

Me; too; but we were not given that choice; were we?

Mitt LOST in the primaries.

387 posted on 10/26/2009 3:34:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Well... that interview was revealing. thanks for the post.


388 posted on 10/26/2009 3:34:48 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Elsie

LOL! Haven’t you seen all the Catholic bashing that goes on in the Religion Forum?

And I’ve never seen a Catholic post anything like that.


389 posted on 10/26/2009 3:35:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: colorcountry
 
This boy grew up, took 33 women to be his wives (some of them married already to other men) and he was eventually executed to his own visions of granduer.


                                         Decisions decisions!

 
Fanny Alger
Lucinda Morgan Harris
Louisa Beaman
Zina Huntington Jacobs
Presendia Huntington Buell
Agnes Coolbrith
Sylvia Sessions Lyon
Mary Rollins Lightner
Patty Bartlett Sessions
Marinda Johnson Hyde
Elizabeth Davis Durfee
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland
Delcena Johnson
Eliza R. Snow
Sarah Ann Whitney
Martha McBride Knight
Ruth Vose Sayers
Flora Ann Woodworth
Emily Dow Partridge
Eliza Maria Partridge
Almera Johnson
Lucy Walker
Sarah Lawrence
Maria Lawrence
Helen Mar Kimball
Hanna Ells
Elvira Cowles Holmes
Rhoda Richards
Desdemona Fullmer
Olive Frost
Melissa Lott
Nancy Winchester
Fanny Young
 
Emma Hale only!!
 
 

390 posted on 10/26/2009 3:37:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
Yes I have judged the veracity of the religion of my birth and found it to be less than the truth.

There you go with that 'judging' again and then the proclamation that YOU, YOU have found the 'truth.'

Judge not, lest ye be judged. (Matthew 7:1)

391 posted on 10/26/2009 3:37:44 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (Not supporting a corrupt, Marxist, Socialist President makes me a racist?!? Then a racist I am!!!)
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To: Deb

Unfortunately, there are many professors in New Testament or History that also do not believe that Jesus is not a historical person either...


392 posted on 10/26/2009 3:38:27 PM PDT by paudio (Road to hell is paved by unintended consequences of good intentions)
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To: Colofornian
All TBMs believe in Joseph Smith's original vision.

But WHICH version of it?

393 posted on 10/26/2009 3:38:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
All TBMs believe in Joseph Smith's original vision.


 
 
 

Here is MORMONism's creed:
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


394 posted on 10/26/2009 3:39:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Seruzawa
Any religion seems idiotic to an outsider. Yours too.

How true!!

395 posted on 10/26/2009 3:40:02 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: top 2 toe red

LOL...

Do have a religion? Have you ever judged a religion.


396 posted on 10/26/2009 3:40:06 PM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Tax Government
Because the essence of faith is that is not reasoned, and cannot be proven or disproven.

But FACTS can be disproven, and it will be the FACTS of MORMONism that will finally get thru to Beck (ask ANY ex-Mo on FR).

397 posted on 10/26/2009 3:41:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jeepers creepers
Most Mormons (at least here in America) are born into it.

Or were CATHOLIC!

It's that large, top-down chain-of-command that still has them hooked!

398 posted on 10/26/2009 3:42:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: top 2 toe red

I totally disagree. Many are called, few are chosen.

Many in the U. S. and in the world disagree with Mormonism.


399 posted on 10/26/2009 3:47:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Scythian

Do any of you realize it doesn’t matter whether you believe Mormon doctrine or not? If it is true, then all other religions, sects, or belief systems are wrong. If Mormonism is false then God, not man will judge them AND Glenn Beck. We Mormons could be wrong. We could be purposely deceptive. We could all be devils in human form. .. Or we could be right. But, the fact is, you will never know until you have the guts to read the Book of Mormon, contemplate its teachings, then ASK God the Eternal Father if it is true or false. But, unfortunately, most of you will never find the courage to do that, because you fear what you may find. I did it 40 years ago, and I’ve never looked back or had reason to regret what I discovered. Can you do that?


400 posted on 10/26/2009 4:03:16 PM PDT by 47samurai (The last real conservative)
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