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Has al Qaeda won the War on Terror? (plus an update on Afghanistan from Bill Roggio)
911FamiliesForAmerica.org ^ | September 28, 2009 | Tim Sumner

Posted on 09/28/2009 9:01:56 AM PDT by Sergeant Tim

Roggio recently did the math and found that since January 2008, “74 airstrikes and ground raids the Taliban and al Qaeda’s network in Pakistan’s lawless tribal agency [have killed] 13 senior al Qaeda leaders and one senior Taliban leader [and] sixteen other mid-level al Qaeda and Taliban commanders and operatives.”

General McChrystal was placed in command to fight a counter-insurgency operation there with the mission to protect the civilian populace and train up the Afghanistan army and police. The mission entailed setting the conditions for good governance, the infusion of aide, and the building of needed infrastructure. Yet he does not currently have in country sufficient troops to do all those things. Roggio explains the General’s frustration:

“We will not invade northwest Pakistan. … There is another irony with this. Last year, what were we told? We were told conducting cross-border attacks into Pakistan was illegal, it’s immoral, it’s against international law, [and] what we’re doing is killing civilians. Now the same people who told us that was bad want to ramp up those types of attacks. What am I missing here? It is a convenient way out. They’ve learned that Afghanistan is much harder than they thought. They thought everybody supports Afghanistan, it’s the “good” war … but once they found out how difficult [it is] and what the situation was, now they want to back off.”

(Excerpt from Roggio's interview, the full audio, and my post-interview commentary after the jump.)

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 911; afghanistan; alqaeda; freedomradio; honestconservative; longwarjournal; mcchrystal; military; obama; roggio; taliban; wot
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1 posted on 09/28/2009 9:01:57 AM PDT by Sergeant Tim
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To: Sergeant Tim

Al Qaeda is winning.


2 posted on 09/28/2009 9:04:12 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: expatguy

Obama caved, al qaeda waved.


3 posted on 09/28/2009 9:05:47 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: expatguy

Al Qaeda is winning because they know full well that left-leaning Americans do not have the stomach and the fortitude to fight them and win.


4 posted on 09/28/2009 9:06:24 AM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: expatguy

How is Malaysia these days? Thinking about a trip to KL.


5 posted on 09/28/2009 9:06:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Sergeant Tim
Has al Qaeda won the War on Terror?

No the war isn't over yet, but they are winning, and I don't see us reversing our fortunes with Obama at the helm. Perhaps a total Middle east meltdown with Iran and Israel trading nukes could shift the power balance in the ME enough to allow us to win. But contemplating the human cost of such a thing is bad for both sanity and the soul. We would need to get lucky at this point, and I can't even image what sort of luck could turn this around.
6 posted on 09/28/2009 9:08:12 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Even if they haven’t, yet, Hussein will probably soon invite them to the WH and hug them on national tv.


7 posted on 09/28/2009 9:08:23 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
A country of democratically-elected leaders can be defeated just by outlasting them. At a certain point, perhaps after many years, the interest in the struggle will wane and the troops will be pulled out. I think we are seeing that here.

For this reason, a country of democratically-elected leaders, if it is to go to war, has to go in strong and break a great many things very quickly and force unconditional surrender as fast as possible.

Nation building may be a good thing -- but it should be done after the enemy is defeated and knows itself to be defeated.

We used to understand this.

8 posted on 09/28/2009 9:09:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

excellent analysis
Too bad odumbo is too busy to even look at any report let alone meet with the General he put there to change the strategy.

also how ironic is it that NOW we can’t set a deadline to exit Afghanastan since it would send the wrong message to the insurgents but it was ok for odumbo to set a deadline to exit Iraq?

can it get worse?


9 posted on 09/28/2009 9:10:05 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Caved? This year, Obama has already sent 21K more troops to Trashcanistan, that is MORE than recommended by either McCain or Bush in 2008. Rather than send even more into that rathole, we need to bring the troops home from Obama’s War NOW!


11 posted on 09/28/2009 9:10:52 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Give a call before you come would be nice to meet up - Im easy enough to find now thanks to Time.


12 posted on 09/28/2009 9:11:23 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: RWGinger

Again, Obama has already sent in 21K more troops this year, that is more than recommended by either McCain or Bush in 2008. After seven years of failure in this futile crusade, we need to bring the troops home not spend more of our blood and treasure. The taxpayers can’t afford it.


13 posted on 09/28/2009 9:13:12 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Sergeant Tim

They are not winning, we are not allowed to fight. There is a vast difference between the two. IMHO the military will not allow Vietnam to happen to them again..


14 posted on 09/28/2009 9:13:43 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: CharlesWayneCT; armymarinemom; sofaman; Dr. Scarpetta; Cautor; Bahbah; baystaterebel; ...

Honest Conservative ping!


15 posted on 09/28/2009 9:18:29 AM PDT by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Captain Kirk

I understand not wanting one more to die.

So what happens when we leave? will Taliban become stronger? Will Al Queda establish more training camps?
Will it become easierto plan another attack once AlQ doesn’t have to worry about moving around?


16 posted on 09/28/2009 9:18:48 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Captain Kirk

Can you outline McCain’s plan for Afghanastan? Can you show the number that McCain wanted to send?
cite a link that shows Mccain’s plan was for less than the 21k odumbo has sent

McCain was probably not the answer either but facts matter so I would like to see the facts on mcCain’s plan that show it called for fewer troops than odumbo sent


17 posted on 09/28/2009 9:26:42 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: LottieDah
unde the new ROE engagement, which even McCrystal is forcing on our troops, the troops are not allowed to either defend themselves nor get air cover when pinned down.

The result it that they are suffering the heaviest losses since the first year of the war.

McCrystal has the cart before the horse. His new ROE of engagement demands our troops sacrifice their very lives rather than chance a civilian getting hurt. He acknowledges this strategy will result in higher troop deaths but reasons (?) that their sacrifice will help win the hearts and minds of the Afghans. Well, it won't win ours.

The Taliban are very happy over these New Rules of Engagement. It gives them unfettered reign to shoot at our troops without fear of return fire or air cover. This is treasonous. The irony is that, now the Taliban have free reing, they are setting off bombs, etc,, that are resulting in more civilians than ever getting killed.

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18 posted on 09/28/2009 9:38:59 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: LottieDah

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/75036.html


19 posted on 09/28/2009 9:39:21 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: RWGinger; Captain Kirk

IMHO, “McCain’s plan” is water passed the bridge.


20 posted on 09/28/2009 9:39:51 AM PDT by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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