Posted on 09/09/2009 5:15:28 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
Generally in any court proceeding, especially in preliminary hearings, I have always found it useful to listen to what the judge says. In the Tuesday hearing concerning Obama's eligibility, Judge Carter stated that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama's eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.
So the question is: Are there any legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama's eligibility, and, if so; what are they?
As to the first question, all we have is a jpg that was posted on a website, an admission by an Obama attorney during a court proceeding that the information contained on that jpg of Obama's COLB was authentic, and an Hawaiian Health official statement that the information displayed on that jpg of Obama's COLB was an accurate representation of the information contained on Obama's long-form birth certificate, and that he was a natural born citizen.
This case to me would seem to hinge on the natural-born question. And the natural born issue itself would ultimately center on the allegiance of Barack Obama Jr.
What is the allegiance of Barack Obama?
To answer that question would call for full discovery of his upbringing, including his long-form birth certificate, and its application, to determine if there were, in fact, any authenticating third-party witnesses to his place of birth, would be justified.
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davidfarrar
“there are essentially two legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama’s eligibility: the question of his place of birth and the natural born question”
I wouldn’t consider those two seperate questions. His place of birth speaks to his natural-born status. Otherwise, who would care?
Is Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro? If the answer is yes, then he is ineligible to be president of the US.
If the answer is no then we need to look for a BC.
The only one that I aware of is the obvious "Is Barack Obama a natural born citizen of the United States?"
From Judge Carter's remarks, it appears to me likely that we will see all of the relevant paperwork if the Kenyan Clown doesn't resign before discovery is allowed.
Add a third question. Was he adopted by Lolo Sotoero as Lolo and Anne’s divorce papers state (by naming him as a ‘child over the age of 18’ because no divorce court would include a stepchild in divorce proceedings as they would be irrelevent).
So was he adopted? If so, that settles it all as he could regain his citizenship, but only by naturalization.
To me, there are three.
1. Foreign father. Obviously if you are born in the US you are a citizen. But if both parents aren’t US citizens, are you “natural born” per the law? This harkens back to Chester Arthur who hid the facts of his father’s citizenship.
2. Place of birth questions. It seems to be possible to register a birth that occurred elsewhere; evidently any number of people have done it in Hawaii.
3. What nationality did he claim in college? A dual citizen usually has to choose once he is of age. So what nationality he put down when he went to college sheds light on that issue. Similarly, knowing what passport he traveled on to Pakistan sheds light.
Thats it. I usually just say, show us the long form, and show us what nationality he claimed in college.
Another of the many problems is that document from when he lived in Indonesia, and it stated his citizenship with Indonesia (and his religion as Islam too).
If one has had citizenship other than in the USA, that is an eligibility problem too.
There are so many problems with him. If the press still did their job, we wouldn’t be in this mess. He’s ineligible on so many levels, and incompetent and anti-American to boot. It really is a nightmare.
I used to be able to write long(and probably boring) explainations on his ineligibility. I will refrain from that now.
NEWSFLASH...my husband who is actually watching Der Fuhrer now, burst into my computer room with this news...
Moments ago(8:35pm central) Obummer was disputing what he called a falsehood about DeathCare. My husband says someone in the audience yelled “LIAR!” and Nancy Pelosi’s eyeballs almost fell out and she leaned over to Biden and it looked like she asked “who said that?” and Biden wrote it down and showed it to her and she shook her head.
The hubby was really stoked that this happened. He was very very happy and said too bad I missed it live.
I however, do not have a president, so I do not watch the fake president’s dictatorial speeches...The husband can stand the sound of the POS, but I cannot.
Has anyone made a statement to the fact that he is Constitutionally eligible? Pelosi filed a Certification of Eligibility that omitted any reference to the Constitution Photos attached, first one was not filed, 2nd was not)
No, so the question remains.
a question though, why has no one been taken to court over producing that obviously fraudulent COLB that was posted on DailyKOS?
I’d start with the guy that has admitted doctoring it.
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Depends on what you mean by a jpg. There are images posted on line that a lot of people have their doubts about, and then there are photographs which show two sides of what appears to be a real short-from computer generated birth certificate. Unless you specify just what you're talking about you don't clarify things any.
Also, there are the birth announcements posted in the Honolulu papers, which are said (in the paper itself) to come from the state health department. I don't know why Obama is withholding whatever original documents he may have or what he's got to hide, but to assume that there was some elaborate conspiracy to fake the birth announcement would be pretty far-fetched.
“His place of birth speaks to his natural-born status. Otherwise, who would care?†This is not exactly right. One parent owing allegiance to a foreign power is more important then place of birth. (McCain) Obama’s legal dad, most likely not his biological and, was a British Citizen and thus Obama COULD NOT AND CAN NOT BE a natural born citizen. 1948 British Citizenship Act.
What happened to the pics?
I don’t doubt the authenticity of the birth announcements.
I assume when you register a birth, the newspaper printed the announcement straight from the public record.
I don’t know that I question his place of birth; I just want to see the “original” because he doesn’t want to show it to me. That just makes me curious as can be, I can’t help it.
Don’t underestimate the reach and intensity of Hussein’s Chicago people. Carter is only a judge. So was Crater.
Don’t underestimate the reach and intensity of Hussein’s Chicago people. Carter is only a judge. So was Crater.
Because to bring him to court, Obama would have to produce his long form birth certificate to prove his was a fake.
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davidfarrar
I am sorry if I confused you. I was simply eluding to the jpg (picture) of Obama’s COLB he posted on his fight-the-smears website. The other pictures, or jpgs, would be hearsay.
The newspaper announcements are contemporaneous hearsay, as well. They are simply repeating what the Hawaiian Health officials have already stated. Nobody is questioning the fact that a long form birth certificate was created. One was created, which is all the newspaper announcements prove.
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davidfarrar
think there is another question: Did “O” ever claim citizenship other that US?
What type passport did he travel to Pakistan?
How did he get financial aid to Harvard (e.g., foreign student)?
So even if he releases Birth Certificate, the issue will not be dead.
I hope you are right. However, the Supreme Court has thus far failed to actually address that point. The best we can say at this point is that if both parents are U.S. citizens, you are definitely a natural-born citizen. If you were born of U.S. citizens outside of the United States, your are probably a natural born citizen. If only one parent is a U.S. citizen, you may be a natural born citizen, you may not be.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Yes, I am sure you are; as am I. But, unfortunately, just because we are curious probably would not be seen by the Court as a legitimate constitutional question as to Obama’s eligibility that would justify requiring full discovery in this case.
ex animo
davidfarrar
There are legitimate constitutional questions regarding almost everything about Obama. Yes, his eligibility, but also everything he advocates.
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