Evidence challenges claim over Obama's birth address

WorldNetDaily ^ | August 10, 2009 | Jerome R. Corsi

[RobinMasters]

Documents uncovered by WND strongly suggest Barack Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham, President Obama's parents, did not live at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Hawaii – even though birth announcements in local newspapers listed that address.

Both newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin, carried the announcement about the Aug. 4, 1961, birth. Both included the 6085 Kalanianaole Highway address.

But WND has confirmed that the house at that street number was owned and occupied in 1961 by another longtime resident Hawaii couple. Moreover, throughout the time he was in Hawaii, Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment at 625 11th Ave. in Kaimuki, within walking distance of the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where he was enrolled for studies in the fall term 1959.

'Birth home' at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway on Oahu

The records from a Honolulu title search, obtained by WND, document 6085 Kalanianaole Highway was purchased in 1958 by Orland Scott Lefforge, a University of Hawaii professor, and his wife/companion Thelma Young, who lived at the property and remained owners into the 1970s.

[Ken522]

I don’t mean to get all excited about this, but Ann Dunham could have rented the place from them while she was spawning Barry.

[icwhatudo]

Because they were not the owners they could not have been living there?

I did not “own” until well after attending school and after my first 2 kids were born.

This is about as weak as citing a wiki entry...(which IIRC WND has done on this issue)

[Diogenesis]

Hawaii gives out "BC"s for foreigners born overseas!!!!.

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"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

[PoplarBluffian]

I’ve read the story about the birth announcement often enough that I presume it’s true but I find it strange. I’ve lived in several states but have never lived where the new parents full address was printed. Is this peculiar to Hawaii or is it actually common? Just curious.....

[real_patriotic_american]

Why won’t Obama release the following documents? When will they be released?

1. Certified copy of original birth certificate
2. Columbia University transcripts
3. Columbia thesis paper
4. Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5. Harvard University transcripts
6. Illinois State Senate records
7. Illinois State Senate schedule
8. Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9. Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers
10. Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11. Occidental College Transcripts
12. Parent’s marriage Certificate
13. Record of baptism
14. Selective Service registration records
15. Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16. Scholarly articles
17. Access to his grandmother (Obama’s grandmother has since passed away from cancer)
18. List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
19. Punahou grade school records

[Blood of Tyrants]

Except that records say that the owners lived there.

[cynwoody]

I don’t mean to get all excited about this, but Ann Dunham could have rented the place from them while she was spawning Barry.

Quite likely.

Most likely hypothesis: They planned to move there to begin raising baby Barack. But then they apparently had big fight around the time of his birth and went their separate ways, leaving the Lefforges to find another tenant. That would explain why there are no other references to the Obamas at that address and why none of the neighbors remember them (48 years would also go a long way towards explaining the latter).

[Always Right]

Because they were not the owners they could not have been living there?

I thought it was verified long before that these people actually lived there.

[nufsed]

What records say that?

[taxtruth]

The house was owned and “occupied” in 1961.

[PhiKapMom]

People in the neighborhood said Obama Sr and his wife never lived there either.

[FTJM]

Because they were not the owners they could not have been living there?

I did not “own” until well after attending school and after my first 2 kids were born.

This is about as weak as citing a wiki entry...(which IIRC WND has done on this issue)

"They" could not live there because "Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment at 625 11th Ave". The Lefforges owned it and lived there.

[taxtruth]

I’m sure they did a “title search” at the deeds and records office and then contacted the people who lived there.

[Diogenesis]

The onus is growing that Pres_ _ent Obama prove he is a natural citizen.

America knows more about Rosie Ruiz, who is more eligible to be President than the Pretender-in-Chief.

[nufsed]

I am a real estate agent and am familiar with title searches. I was asking "What records show who actually occupied the house?"

I wasn't aware anyone except owners, tenants and property manageres kept records of actual occupants.

[cynwoody]

Except that records say that the owners lived there.

More than likely they did. Also, more than likely, it was the cottage in back that the Obamas were going to rent before they split up right after the birth.

[FTJM]

This information serves as prima facie (sic) evidence that the information in the birth announcement is not credible and so the announcement is not credible. Pointing to the birth announcement as fact that Obama was “born” in Hawaii is now completely worthless. Tingle anyone?

[nufsed]

“Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment at 625 11th Ave”. source please?

[RummyChick]

There is also a little house on that property. Don’t know if it was there back then. She could have lived in the cottage. Doesn’t make a lot of sense since she could have stayed with her parents.