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To: Jim Robinson

All the BC stuff put out by both sides, or maybe I should say all sides, is just a collective distraction.

Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen, therefore Barack Obama II cannot be a natural born U. S. citizen. It doesn’t really matter where the birth took place.


24 posted on 08/02/2009 5:08:49 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: savedbygrace
"Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen, therefore Barack Obama II cannot be a natural born U. S. citizen. It doesn’t really matter where the birth took place."

That's the camp I fall into. Everything else is just useless noise. People should have stipulated from the very beginning that Barry was born in HI. He still doesn't meet the eligibility requirements of the POTUS for the very reason you cite.

So long as people are searching for the "magic birth certificate", or lack there of, they won't be addressing the legitimate claim of illegitimacy - just the way Obama wants it.

104 posted on 08/02/2009 5:42:06 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: savedbygrace
If Obama is a natural born citizen but refuses to provide his actual birth certificate, even someone with a public school education would wonder what he's hiding.
The gentleman from D.U. who posted this link there needs to enlighten us all as to what he thinks is hiding on Obama's actual birth certificate.
515 posted on 08/02/2009 9:22:24 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: savedbygrace
"Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen, therefore Barack Obama II cannot be a natural born U. S. citizen. It doesn’t really matter where the birth took place."

Ditto, that and the fact mother was not old enough to bestow citizenship is enough to disqualify and declare he's an illegal alien. Anything else is window dressing and a distraction.

527 posted on 08/02/2009 9:32:02 PM PDT by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: savedbygrace

Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen, therefore Barack Obama II cannot be a natural born U. S. citizen. It doesn’t really matter where the birth took place.
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What matters is what SCOTUS case law precedent says about this, and what they may rule now about who is a NBC of the USA. Other than that, whatever veracity there may be to any of these other documents, could only show zero to be more of an obfuscator and more mendacious than we already know he is. But perhaps, the rest of the nation can find out more and more about our

LIAR in CHIEF...and our LIAR & THIEF.


572 posted on 08/02/2009 10:21:07 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try BIGOTS.))
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To: savedbygrace

As I understand it, any person who is born here (native born) is a US citizen—even if his father was a foreign national. Hence, a Russian girl who’s father was a KGB guy at the old USSR’s embassy in Washington, is a US citizen. She has, by the way, taken advantage of it. She lives and works here in America as a US citizen.

My son was born in a US military hospital in the old W. Germany. US military hospitals in foreign countries are considered US territory. That is part of the Status of Forces Agreement the US negotiates with every country in which we station troops. However, because my son was born in W. Germany he also was a citizen of that country. My wife and I had the W. German citizenship annulled. I was in the US Army then. If we had rotated back to W. Germany after he became 18 years old (and he was still our dependent) he could have conceivably been drafted into th3e W. German Army.

We actually had a guy in my unit at the time (1965-68) who had just the reverse happen to him. He was in the US of W. German parents. They never annuled his US citizenship. He was drafted in the US Army and stationed in W. Germany. His English was excellent—as was his German. It was a great asset having him in the unit. He was a good soldier.

Also, as I understand it, as parents we could annul the W. German citizenship. But not the US citizenship. Why? Because he was born of two American parents on “US soil”. Only my son could annul his US citizenship and then he would have to wait until he was 21.


762 posted on 08/03/2009 8:17:47 AM PDT by dools007
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To: savedbygrace
Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen, therefore Barack Obama II cannot be a natural born U. S. citizen. It doesn’t really matter where the birth took place.

If this is true, then why do we have soooooo many illegals bearing children here who immediately become "anchor babies?" I don't think the Constitution mentions the nationality of either parent when conferring citizenship on a newborn. Please cite where in the Constitution it makes reference to the parentage of the child.
802 posted on 08/03/2009 9:02:21 AM PDT by PleaDeal (Palin in '12! Built Ford tough not Obama weak.)
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To: savedbygrace

Therefore his two daughters are also not citizens, because only one their parents is a US Citizen.


899 posted on 08/03/2009 11:01:50 AM PDT by FreeAlaska32
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To: savedbygrace
Blackstone's Comentaries were published in the decade before the American Revolution. They are considered to be the source about the English law which was inherited by the American colonies when they declared their independence.

I have changed the long s’s (which look like f’s) into short s’s, so that the text is easier to read.

This is the URL to Chapter 10.

http://avalon.law.yale .edu/18th_century/blackstone_bk1ch10.asp

Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England

Book the First : Chapter the Tenth : Of People, Whether Aliens, Denizens or Natives

page 354

...

THE first and most obvious division of the people is into aliens and natural-born subjects. Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England, that is, within the ligeance, or as it is generally called, the allegiance of the king; and aliens, such as are born out of it. Allegiance is the tie, or ligamen, which binds the subject to the king, in return for that protection which the king affords the subject.

...

pages 361-362

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THE children of aliens, born here in England, are, generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such. In which the constitution of France differs from ours; for there, by their jus albinatus, if a child be born of foreign parents, it is an alien.

1,134 posted on 08/05/2009 12:12:18 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: savedbygrace
Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen

But his mother was.

1,139 posted on 08/05/2009 11:06:26 AM PDT by TBP
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To: savedbygrace

lol i thought if he was born on us soil he was us citizen.


1,158 posted on 08/07/2009 6:36:19 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: savedbygrace
DUmmies are supposed to be the ones who don't know our Constitution, not FReepers. Your post completely ignores United States v. Wong Kim Ark, which clarified the Fourteenth Amendment's following statement: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside (emphasis mine).

Fact of the matter is, our country has birthright citizenship. Why do you think Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee made abolishing that privilege a part of their campaigns? Answer: because it currently exists.

1,160 posted on 08/07/2009 4:26:40 PM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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