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To: savedbygrace
"Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen, therefore Barack Obama II cannot be a natural born U. S. citizen. It doesn’t really matter where the birth took place."

That's the camp I fall into. Everything else is just useless noise. People should have stipulated from the very beginning that Barry was born in HI. He still doesn't meet the eligibility requirements of the POTUS for the very reason you cite.

So long as people are searching for the "magic birth certificate", or lack there of, they won't be addressing the legitimate claim of illegitimacy - just the way Obama wants it.

104 posted on 08/02/2009 5:42:06 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: OldDeckHand

So all the anchor babies born to illegal Mexicans are not natural born citizens? (I think the “born on US soil automatically a citizen” thing needs to be changed, but it has been taken as unquestioned truth for a long time.) Their parents are not citizens but birth on US soil makes the baby a citizen, certainly a natural born citizen.

So, if OBama was born on US soil, then no one questions that he was a natural born citizen. But if he was not born on US soil, then his parentage comes into play.

But it can’t be a simple as: parents US citizens, baby US natural born citizen; parents not US citizens, baby not US natural born citizen.


172 posted on 08/02/2009 6:13:18 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: OldDeckHand; savedbygrace

“Obama’s fathers was not a U. S. citizen, therefore Barack Obama II cannot be a natural born U. S. citizen. It doesn’t really matter where the birth took place.”

That’s the camp I fall into. Everything else is just useless noise.
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Except that ‘natural-born citizen’ SCOTUS precedent does seem to take the location of birth into consideration. I agree that the father’s citizenship is important, as would be the fact that BO was born in Kenya. It was certainly important to McCain as well, where he was born. I’m not sure which would have been more important in McCain’s case, but the non-binding Senate resolution ‘declared’ he was a ‘natural-born citizen’ and that seemed to be enough at the time.

I think the SCOTUS needs to address this. While I don’t normally cite wikipedia - here are the cases and such that govern this, to date, and they are instructive to a point - and the sources may be good references also.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen

imho, the SCOTUS has not made a definitive statement about this, perhaps because it’s never come up in quite this way.


894 posted on 08/03/2009 10:57:09 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try BIGOTS.))
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