Posted on 08/02/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
And then one of our moderators spotted this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate
It has several clues, but also there's this question:
Who is E. F. Lavender?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi
Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?
hey i hope i am wrong, i just am feeling after all these months i am scared to hope for something that could possibly save the country.
melissa
The New York Times reported that after an emergency operation failed to save the life of Sgt. Edward O’Grady, one of the policemen gunned down at the roadblock:“Dr. Herbert Sperling, a surgeon and chairman of the hospital’s medical executive committee, said an examination of three bullet fragments seemed to indicate that the gunmen had used ‘hollow-nose bullets of some type.’”
– The New York Times, October 21, 1981 [15]Hollow-nose bullets are designed to expand on impact, maximizing damage.
The other policeman, Waverly Brown, died at the roadblock. The Times interviewed a witness:“‘They shot him in the back – he didn’t have to do that,’ the witness said.”
– ibid.So: a gang, including Weathermen, plus over-the-top violence. How could anyone forget this story?
Huh? The meme for a good part of yesterday that was often cited for “proving” it was fake was that 102181 = obama. It doesn’t. If you weren’t a long-time freeper, I’d think you were intentionally moving the goal posts (ie classic troll behavior). Don’t think that’s the case, but your post is pure unsupported speculation at best.
alinsky... Very good!
Stupid Sara (stupid by virtue of me not being a socialist) says, “turn over your historic documentation, Obama, and prove, just like everyone else confronted by society’s “birthers”, your proff of natural born citizenship in a court of law so a judge can decide if you are qualified to be president.”
Like you, I would never unestimate the dishonesty, manipulation and conniving of the Left. However, where they meet the wall is in a court of law where they are often pantsed.
Nice list and ...OBAMA needs to open up...or leave!!!
Oh, man!
Sunday morning about 1:30am I check FR before going to bed - big mistake! - and this thread about Orly’s new case and a photo of Obama’s certified copy of a birth certificate is already roaring along. So I start reading and tossing in my 2 cents worth and before you know it the sun is up and the clock says 8:45am. I even forgot to put the dog to bed or clean out the six kitty litter boxes (I have 9 cats).
Somewhere it those thousands of posts is the information you seek. She, Orly, has had this document photo for quite some time; 6 members of the House of Representatives have joined with many others, including military personnel, to form a class action lawsuit. The person who possess the document is supposedly fearful of being killed. No surprise there!
Going to London to verify the information on the document is the next step - I understand she is going today, Monday. That is more important than having a certified copy dated in 1964, in my opinion. The British Empire was a bureaucrats idea of Paradise - the colonial records are extensive and I would not be surprised if they confirm what is on the photographed document.
People are making fun of the E.F.Lavendar name. But there really was an English bureaucrat working in the late Empire during the 1950s and 60s whose name is Eric F. Lavendar. Supposedly he retired to Australia. If I were he, I would hide.
I'll grant you the 4407 is coincidental, but strange coincidences are far from uncommon.
Have you researched the registrar's name?
You'll see that it is connected to this story going back to Sept of last year. I did a cursory search and haven't been able to get back to it so more digging needs to be done.
That's what we do and then let the chips fall where they may.
I’m still agnostic about the doc’s authenticity. The court that now has it (hopefully) will settle the matter. I am debunking some of the lamest of the “proofs” that it is fake mostly as a service to freepers and lurkers.
PS the 102181 fooled me for a bit, too, until I realized that M isn’t close to the 8th letter of the alphabet...
Others have found E. Lavenders and E. F. Lavenders closer to 1961 and 1964 in Kenya, so you should be posting those, not this one.
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Why don’t you link to those posts, since this thread is close to 850 posts, and there’s several other threads on this topic in any case? That would be nice. We’re all just trying to piece this together, and address objections - right?!
What you posted is a fairly recent blank form. How can that possibly have ANY relevance, one way or another, for a 1961/1964 document?
I’m so glad thousands upon thousands of patriotic Americans are spinning their wheels on this boondoggle instead of fighting Zer0’s socialist policies.
/sarc for the insight impaired.
*facepalm*
Oduya Oduya is a surname, common among the Luo ethnic group in Kenya.
Aquabird, please provide a link to the WND article that claims they have birth cert documentation from that era that matches Orly’s document. It won’t change Mount Athos’ opinion which was determined from the onset, but it matters to me because I still have an open mind and am in the discovery phase of the investigation.
Thanks!
Tex corrected him or herself.
I want to congratulate you on being the 384th freeper to misrepresent the modern, amended constitution as the original 1963 constitution.
The original 1963 constitution doesn’t have the word Republic in it.
But you’re in luck, because BP found that the coastal province in question considered itself a republic before the country did. So it doesn’t matter.
People are making fun of the E.F.Lavendar name. But there really was an English bureaucrat working in the late Empire during the 1950s and 60s whose name is Eric F. Lavendar. Supposedly he retired to Australia. If I were he, I would hide.
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Where are you getting this info? Do you have links? Thanks!
Because I didn’t keep track of them. But I’ve read the entire thread and formed my conclusions carefully as I read through.
You could do the same. Nothing stopping you.
I still don’t know if the Feb. 17, 1964 document is a fake.
But I do know, from having carefully read this and the long thread carefully, that nearly all of the breathless gotcha debunkings have in turn been convincingly debunked.
But they were all, at best, tangential speculations anyway. The proof can only come from (1) forensic examination of the original paper copy (still possessed by the person who gave Taitz a copy?) and (2) comparison to authentic certifications drawn from the original book at about the same time as this one, i.e., from early 1964 and (3) looking at the original hard bound registry book in Kenya or authentic colonial administrative archives in England that record what was that book with reference to the serial numbers and page numbers of the record books in Kenya, if such copies were made and survive.
On 1 July 1895, it became part of Britain's Kenya protectorate (the coastal strip nominally under Zanzibari sovereignty).
http://sthweb.bu.edu/archives/index.php?option=com_awiki&view=mediawiki&article=Mombasa&Itemid=99
1 Jul 1895 Kenya protectorate (i.e., the coastal strip nominally under
Zanzibari sovereignty).
12 Dec 1963 Incorporated into independent Kenya.
http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Kenya_native.html
Between 1885 and World War I, Tanganyika was the major part of German East Africa,
the remainder being Ruanda–Urundi and the Kionga triangle. Following World War I
Tanganyika was placed under United Kingdom administration first as a League of
Nations mandate and then in 1946 as a United Nations trust territory. Tanganyika
acquired independence as a republic on December 21, 1961. The United Republic of
Tanganyika and Zanzibar was constituted by a merger of the two principals on April 27,
1964, and the name of the state was changed to the United Republic of Tanzania on
October 29, 1964.
3 The Kenya protectorate comprised the mainland holdings of the Sultan of Zanzibar, in respect of which
an annuity of 16,000 pounds per annum was paid to His Highness for their lease by the British. With an
area of slightly less than 2,000 square miles, it consisted of a strip of land extending 10 sea miles inland
along the coast of the Indian Ocean between Tanganyika and the northern branch of the Tana river,
including the islands of the Lamu archipelago (Lamu, Manda, and Patta). The original concession was
made in 1887 to a company, later called the Imperial British East Africa Company; however, the
administration of the strip was transferred to Her Majesty's Government in 1895. The territory was
ceded by the Sultan to Kenya at the time the state became independent in 1963.
http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS071.pdf
As for WHY they would travel to Kenya, maybe thought that Barry II would become legitimate, if they went to Kenya, and had Muslim marriage. Multiple marriages are legal, in kenya, if both "Profess Islam. Then, a birth IN Kenya would PROBABLY be legitimate. It PROBABLY would NOT be considered legitimate in the US.
DG
I want to congratulate you on being the 384th freeper to misrepresent the modern, amended constitution as the original 1963 constitution.
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Geez - I was traveling yesterday, so I’m just trying to piece this together through a few thousand posts. That OK with you? :) Why don’t you link us (again?) to the original 1963 Constitution?
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“But you’re in luck, because BP found that the coastal province in question considered itself a republic before the country did. So it doesn’t matter.”
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Did they consider themselves part of the Republic of Kenya?
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