Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate ^ | 08/02/2009

[Jim Robinson]

And then one of our moderators spotted this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate

It has several clues, but also there's this question:

Who is E. F. Lavender?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi

Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?

[a fool in paradise]

“Warning...DU wanting members to create fake BC’s”

Sounds like they are engaging in criminal conspiracy.

And the media turns a blind eye.

[dools007]

As I understand it, any person who is born here (native born) is a US citizen—even if his father was a foreign national. Hence, a Russian girl who’s father was a KGB guy at the old USSR’s embassy in Washington, is a US citizen. She has, by the way, taken advantage of it. She lives and works here in America as a US citizen.

My son was born in a US military hospital in the old W. Germany. US military hospitals in foreign countries are considered US territory. That is part of the Status of Forces Agreement the US negotiates with every country in which we station troops. However, because my son was born in W. Germany he also was a citizen of that country. My wife and I had the W. German citizenship annulled. I was in the US Army then. If we had rotated back to W. Germany after he became 18 years old (and he was still our dependent) he could have conceivably been drafted into th3e W. German Army.

We actually had a guy in my unit at the time (1965-68) who had just the reverse happen to him. He was in the US of W. German parents. They never annuled his US citizenship. He was drafted in the US Army and stationed in W. Germany. His English was excellent—as was his German. It was a great asset having him in the unit. He was a good soldier.

Also, as I understand it, as parents we could annul the W. German citizenship. But not the US citizenship. Why? Because he was born of two American parents on “US soil”. Only my son could annul his US citizenship and then he would have to wait until he was 21.

[piytar]

Just to emphasize my point about numerology: I googled that random number and got over 5,000 google hits http://www.google.com/search?client=ms-rim&hl=en&q=4239821&ie=UTF-8&channel=browser Topics range from a patent, DNA sequence, bras, Pablo Escobar (seriously), etc. And that’s just on the first page! So based on that number, I must be a female former associate of the Columbian drug cartel hiding in the carpet industry (witness protection program?) who has a genetic ailment...

[Danae]

Brilliant!

[SaraJohnson]

Insider is right as it looks like this document - if it is real- was a part of the divorce documentation or some other legal action. Or it could have been someone who got access to gradma’s or Stanley’s papers at death.

That could mean anyone with access to that legal file or the personal papers of Obama’s family, foreign or domestic!

No one here can really tell it if it fake or not. We can not know without the orginal document and a history on the document. I don’t believe or disbelieve anything yet about the document.

However, regardless of this document, my opinion that Obama does not want this in front of a judge because he knows he is not a natural born citizen remains unchanged. I think this is because he knows that to be natural born you must have two American parents and he does not. All the birth document stuff is a side tracking of the real evidence plaining seen and known!

[MamaTexan]

Apparently the usage of the "Republic of Kenya" was not uncommon.

Kenya acknowledged itself as a Republic with its Constitution in 1963.

[1234]

The document has already been authtenticated by one expert; Orly saw to that before going public.

pls., where'd you read/hear this?

[SaraJohnson]

“If Klinton had it she would have pulled it out to kill his presidential hopes. She would have stopped at nothing to be president.”

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You don’t study political strategy much, do you. Hitlerly would have been done for as a Democrat had she disqualifed the media’s selected president and messiah.

[Danae]

Is there a recording of that somewhere? Did you hear the interview?

[SeattleBruce]

I would have hoped that before they went public with this, they would have obtained another birth certificate from the same area and era for comparison, and that some effort would have been made to verify authenticity.
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.

[SaraJohnson]

Obama was not at grandma’s long enough to go through a life time of papers. That birth cert. could have been stuck in a bible or a copy of Mao’s little red book. Also, Stanley died and someone could have coped that document from her papers.

Who knows?! Not us, at this point.

[Cicero]

Yes, indeed. Do a sprectral analysis of the paper, the ink and the font used. You will most likely find that that paper was created AFTER 1964. The thing is a huge fake, the birther movement is a fake.

You begin by proposing a scientific analysis of the Kenyan birth certificate, then announce that "most likely" you will find this and that, and finally jump to a conclusion as to what the test will find, without bothering to wait for the testing to be done.

Certainly there are a fair number of politicized scientists who decide beforehand what their conclusion will be and then manage to arrange their "research" so they find what they wanted to find. Global warmists, for instance. Then, having come to the desired conclusion, their political masters reward them with more government research grants.

But it's not good science. Let's wait for the tests to be performed and the doubts to be confirmed or refuted before proclaiming the results.

[LouieFisk]

"piytar - Just to emphasize my point about numerology: I googled that random number and got over 5,000 google hits http://www.google.com/search?client=ms-rim&hl=en&q=4239821&ie=UTF-8&channel=browser Topics range from a patent, DNA sequence, bras, Pablo Escobar" - -

I think the logical question to pose, piytar, is "how many of the Google hits pertain to Obama as a person"? (e.g. not a post number, pageviews, etc)

[SeattleBruce]

Is it me or does it sound like the person who posted that is likely the person who forged the document?
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So that person has been working in close conjunction with, and to dupe Orly Taitz and WND (perhaps for months?), and by inference, the rest of us and birthers, and college transcipt-ers in general? Is that your theory?

[SaraJohnson]

Once you read everything written about this document with an open mind, you figure out no one knows squat. :)

[SeattleBruce]

I think you find that here.

1865
He would be dead by Obama’s birth
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Have you heard of sons and grandsons being named after their fathers and grandpas? :)

[SE Mom]

Thanks guys :)

[SaraJohnson]

Well all you after-birthers are not distracted, thank goodness!

[SaraJohnson]

All it takes is one honest judge and Obama is “forced.”

[LouieFisk]

SeattleBruce - "WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical." - -

That's pretty lacking is specifics, Bruce. e.g. was "Republic Of Kenya" used on a BC at that time? That would settle one major point of debate.

Also the use of the term "appear to be" leaves a bit of wiggle room in case it's a fake. If WND would post images of it's comparsion BCs (or whatever docs it's using) with the private info blacked out, that would certainly be helpful.