Posted on 08/01/2009 1:38:58 PM PDT by presidio9
There's Red America, Blue America and Tinfoil Helmet America. And it looks like the third camp is enormously larger than anyone feared.
A new poll, commissioned by the liberal Web site Daily Kos found that fully 11% of Americans think that Barack Obama wasn't born in the United States. And another 12% said that they are unsure.
The doubters are heavily concentrated in the Republican Party, according to pollsters. An amazing 58% of the surveyed Republicans questioned whether Obama, in fact, entered the world in Hawaii.
What this means: Millions of Americans suspect or are convinced that Obama, son of a Kenyan father, is not a citizen and thus cannot legitimately serve as President. And no Hawaiian birth certificate or newspaper announcement from the time will convince them otherwise.
Who are these people? They're the ones whose feet are not planted on U.S. soil - or any soil.
Even the mods are on to ya, you wear it well LOL
JimRob told me to stop hunting CoLB trolls before the election.
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Dear Star Traveler: Posters here might take you more seriously if you didn't end your messages with "LOL" all the time.
Remember, the old saying: We are not laughing with you. We are laughing AT you.
If you don't seem to take your self seriously with all those "LOL" (Laughing Out Loud) in your messages, then how do you expect the rest of us to take you seriously?
Well, so far you haven’t been able to get around the *reality* of the fact that ther is no legal requirement for a candidate to provide his birth certificate — and that’s the problem you are having...
No amount of diversion from that one fact, which is the source of your problem will make it work for you... no matter what... :-)
That’s why the *only way* that is going to work is to get a state law that requires a candidate to show his birth certificate or else he cannot get on the ballot..., but that seems to be beyond the grasp of some people here, to understand....
The reality is that our officials are ignoring laws left and right, and so far are getting away with it (don’t you agree) - getting a law passed that will merely be ignored by the current officeholders is preposterous. The people need to attend to their ultimate duty and bring the officials who haven’t enforced the laws to justice. My call to action is to the people, not to the officials who have squandered their credit and obligation, scandalously and often.
You can take the facts of the issue any way you want... I just take them as the *reality* of the situation and that’s all that matter to me... :-)
If that doesn't say something to you, well to frickin bad, it says something to me and that something is he has something to hide, whether or not it would get him tossed is questionable but it is something he doesn't want people to see. One simple document would put and end to this. Sure, some people would keep screaming about it but if he shows a valid long form BC the vast majority of us would shut up.
He refuses to show it and we have many articles in the MSM, DAILY, telling us how crazy we are for asking. If there is nothing to hide them simply show the damn thing!
Only in the recesses of your own mind... which is why I’m still posting to you... :-)
I’m not having a problem. You are, insulting ‘all freepers’. You are not long for this forum, janx.
Post to the mods instead, troll
If the candidates name is not on the ballot, that pretty well cinches it up. And if five or so states have that requirement — that a candidate cannot be places on the ballot or else his name cannot be on the ballot — then you’ve got a strangle-hold on that candidate, if they decide not to comply...
And so far, we’ve seen Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Arizona start on that process.... I’ve followed the one in Oklahoma....
Ummm...., you’re the one who is “conversing” with me... and I’m using that word loosely now... LOL...
It’s no insult to bring up the reality of the matter...
It’s obvious to anyone to see that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to produce his birth certificate.
It’s also obvious to anyone to see that no one has been able to get Obama to produce his birth certificate.
It’s also obvious that the states, individually, place candidates on their ballot according to their own laws, we can see the forms that the candidates must fill out...
And it’s obvious that the state can make a law that requires a candidate to show their birth certificate...
It’s actually *so obvious* — that several states actually started on the process of doing that very thing... Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Arizona...
At least they have a bit more sense than some... LOL...
The Constitution lays out the requirements plainly. Sadly, no one is taking responsibility for enforcing it. Frustrating but true. The birthers ( of which I am a proud member) have been sounding the alarm since the beginning of the primaries. The result: Nothing!
Oh...., I see... that definition of a troll — is *actually* the one that most all FReepers use... yes... [... no kidding, I’ve seen it used time and time again...]
— A troll is someone who doesn’t agree with my opinion and has the audacity to say so! —
I think it’s perfect...
You said — The Constitution lays out the requirements plainly. Sadly, no one is taking responsibility for enforcing it. Frustrating but true.
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It’s a slight bit different that you say. I mean by that... the Constitution says what the candidate must *be* and then it’s up to the officials to carry out the “methodology” of determining that.
Now, the conflict here is that people here have said that they want a “methodology” of “seeing the birth certificate” while the officials have simply (and with all candidates in the past) had them sign and swear an oath they are *are* what the Constitution says that they must *be* — and that is their “methodology”...
The Constitution doesn’t have a “methodology” prescribed, but merely says what the candidate must *be*...
And here’s the Constitution for you...., the *basics* of the Constitution on this qualifications issue...
And yes, there is a Constitution, it’s to follow — and here is what it says, in regards to qualifications. The Constitution says that a candidate must be the following in order to qualify for the office. The candidate must ...
*be* 35 years or older
*be* a resident 14 years or more
*be* a natural born citizen
And Obama has sworn under oath that he *is* (as the Constitution says he must *be*)...
It does not say what is necessary to show it, prove it or what any means for “vetting” is. That’s up to the states themselves to vet and make sure that the candidates meet the qualifications.
And what they have done is sworn an oath that they are qualified..., Obama has, the other candidates have and they have in the past...
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And in addition the State of Hawaii says that he *is* exactly what the Constitution says he must *be*...
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
This shows that there is no Constitutional issue or question. So, when there is no Constitutional issue at problem here with the Qualifications for office, why would the Supreme Court get involved? Which is why they didn’t get involved.
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And if you want to get Obama to show his birth certificate, you’re going to have to get a state law to that effect, which is what I’ve been proposing since the election.
And you’ll notice that no one is saying to ignore the Constitution...
Proof, ie Birth Certificate for all to see, should be Federal requirement, it is after all, a Federal Office. If it’s rational to make a law to force compliance, is it not rational to insist for it without going through legal hoops?
Wow|! Great information!
It would be good to have it be a Federal requirement...
So, looking at the birth certificate issue — you’ve these ways to deal with it...
(1) Federal law (from Congress) specifying that a candidate must show his birth certificate.
(2) Constitutional Amendment that a candidate must show his birth certificate.
(3) State law that a candidate must show his birth certificate.
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Of those three... the reason why I’ve been proposing that a state law be enacted in order to legally require the candidate to show his birth certificate or else he cannot be placed on the ballot — is — because a state law can be done quicker and easier.
It’s much easier to get a few conservative states to pass this law than a law out of Congress or a Constitutional Amendment.
If after those state laws have been passed, if either one of the other were to be done, that would be fine...
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