Posted on 07/30/2009 6:25:00 PM PDT by trueamerica
On the Decosta COLB (which no one alleges is a fake,) every field header matches that of the Obama COLB except for one. On hers it says : Date ACCEPTED By State Registrar. On Obamas it says Date FILED By Registrar (Notice not the state registrar, this would be the local one ). Two different things. Either that field header is forged in Obamas ( they are from the same form - OHSM 1.1 Revised (11/01) ) or it means his registration was FILED at that date BUT was not ACCEPTED. If you look at the long form copy of the birth certificate available online from 1963, Field 20 says : Date Accepted by Local Registrar. Field 22 says Date Accepted by Registrar General ( which is the State Registrar ).A change from accepted to filed are significant enough linguistic changes that a different form would have to be created. Legally, accepted and filed are two very different things. So both these phrase were used on the form depending on the circumstances.
This section of the Hawaii Revised Stautes explains why that would be used:
Sec 338-16 ( late registration defined ) d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or “when the state registrar finds reasons to question the validity or adequacy of the certificate or the documentary evidence, the state registrar shall not register the late certificate and shall advise the applicant of the reason for this action.”
So, something entered on the long form was not verifiable and thus, it was not approved by the state. So assuming his online COLB is not fake ( or the forgers were just too incompetent to notice they put in the wrong field header ), all you have with his online COLB is a FILING, not an ACCEPTED certificate
Could this be what he is hiding?
Japanese is a race?
I guess if African is a race, Japanese can be a race...
“Accepted” indicates it is NOT the original filed document. The only document with filed would be the first one. Accepted indicates what I posted. That the information on his vault certificate and the info on later documents had been changed, either by his mother, or by himself later on.
The Date "Filed' vs. Date "Accepted" came up much last summer and fall. And the hypothesis above seems to what many thought. I would like to see an explanation.
Anyone's guess, but IF it's a home birth, Letters of Testimony from Ann Dunham should accompany a "Certificate of Late Birth", similar to this of a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth":
I guess someone should call that office..yet again..and ask about this.
Actually no. Danae did not have an answer for why 'Date Filed' is stated on the COLB. It could be another mistake like her stamped date.
of the various CoLB's that I have seen, (and I did not keep copies of all of them) I was always under the impression that an ACCEPTED CoLB clearly showed folds, a stamp and a seal.
Bump Dat...
It is possible that the two missing numbers indicate miscarriages or stillbirths, so those would not have been filed as cerificates of live birth. They would reflect something completely different, but necessary for the record either for burial, or whatever way the deaths would have been handled.
~~PING!
I did not say that she had an answer as to WHY. I said she said hers said FILED.
Like Obama’s COLB.
I then said someone could call and find out what that office has to say about the difference.
She died in 1963 (well before Hawaii starting giving out the short form), and it was her family that obtained the short form (in 2002?) and posted it on their family genealogy site (since taken down).
I would expect that is it not the hospital that assigned the numbers, but the state agency.
The serial numbers were Bates-stamped on top. I would expect that a number would not be assigned until ALL the requirements of the form were completed, the last requirement being that of the registrar.
It may be that certificates from various hospital and sources were sent in to the state bureaucracy, and then were Bates-stampted with a number by a state employee as they were finally completed and processed.
Unless you have seen some specific credible information on the hospital practices?
There are plenty of people born in Hawaii prior to 1960. Do their COLBs say state or territorial registrar? if they say state then I'll stand corrected.
OK, I got you. Multitasking - messed up.
I agree, your question should be put to the Hawaiian DOH.
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I have no explanations for the form I have from the State of Hawaii. All I have is what they sent me in 2000. This isn’t about me, its about Hawaii and the fact that there are apparently numerous versions, several different forms over sever different years..... There is no solid standard for a Certification of live Birth.
Thats all I can say with any certainty. I should be getting the Receipt for the order of the COLB in 2000 from The state of Hawaii by Saturday or so this week, as soon as I get it I will be posting it along with the envelope it comes in.
BP2, the info on the last COLB seems to be reflecting the information that obama himself wanted it to reflect. Hawaii does that when issuing COLBs that reflect legal name changes or even the race. If obama himself wanted his race to reflect African, that is what they would have stated.
He needed this to estblish his “bonafides” on the black political street.
Hawaii is infamous for hanky panky with these records. Why forge when you can request just about any information you want as loong as YOU are the one requesting it?
I sat and read through every single statute on Hawaiian issued birth docs. They DO THIS as long as you have documentation that proves what you ask. His father WAS African. And it CAN’T be the original info that was on his birth certificate because he changed his name at LEAST twice.
There could be three or four certificates with names on them: if Barry was brought to Hawaii shortly after being born in perhaps Canada, the name might have been Barry Dunham; when supposedly Obama and Satnley Ann married, the name might have been changed with an Obama adoption to Barack Obama; when Lolo married Stanley Ann and adopted Barack, the name might have been changed to Barry Soetoro; when Stanley Ann came back to Hawaii and divorced Lolo, she may have had Barry’s name changed back to Obama. But it is more likely that a name other than Obama was on the first filing. The Pres_ _ent’s actual legal name may still be Barry Soetoro and allowed him to game the systems of passports and college entry and financial assistance through that name. Only when he decided to ‘embrace his blackness’ when heading to New York to Columbia did he switch to using Barack Obama, perhaps, always ‘perhaps’.
Do you have a link for that? Or are you just surmising?
It would seem more likely that the Department of Health assigned the numbers as they processed the forms. To do it the other way would require allocating batches of numbers to the various hospitals in order to make sure numbers don't get assigned twice. It would also likely lead to unused numbers, since it would be necessary to overallocate numbers to the hospitals in order to ensure against running out.
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