Posted on 07/27/2009 11:12:35 AM PDT by Danae
Ok here is a theory.
To preface what follows, I was born in Hawaii in 1969. I have both my long form BC and my COLB from that state.
My COLB was printed for me at my mothers request in a letter that was received (and confirmed by computer records by the Vital Stats office in the Hawaiian Dept of Health in Honolulu) and my COLB that I received should have had the date of Mar.6 2000. It states Mar. 6 2007 (!).
Stick with me through what follows.
Lets just say that in 2007 when Barry was really getting into running for President that he was facing some questions from the black community, which was indeed the case. The question in the black community was this: Is he black enough? Barry is 50% white, 44% Arab and 6% Black from the breakdown that I have repeatedly seen. So the black community isn’t sure they can support this guy because he is half white, and we have all heard the condescension that Black people have given to mulatto children. Certainly in my lifetime I can remember some rather racist black kids riding the mulatto kids I knew. Barry is most definitely Mulatto.
Ok so he has a problem with convincing the Black community to support him, and he NEEDS their support, and that of ACORN, the two go hand in hand.
So, Barry goes back to Hawaii on vacation, visits grandma. Grandma is VERY well connected in Honolulu. You don’t get to the position of VP of Hawaii’s largest bank and NOT be connected. In Hawaii connections are everything. With connections, you can do just about anything, a favor is a favor, and Grandma likely had more than just a few to pull in. Thats just how the islands work. I am not going to try and explain it more than that, it would take too long. But I have connected family on Kauai to this day, so let’s just stipulate that I know what I am talking about.
Back to the story. Barry needs to solidly convince a lot of Black people that he has the creds to run from the Black community, to counter his detractors on the whole Black enough issue.
A COLB stating African would do that pretty convincingly. Grandma pulls a few strings and gets Barry a COLB that states African, and is actually a real document from the State of Hawaii because it indeed came from there, but under some false circumstances. Mainly that his race was African, when clearly it wasn’t, he had a White Mother. If anything, original COLB would have said Negro or Black. That might not be enough to counter the white half of his genetic make up in the Black Community, but stating “AFRICAN” WOULD. But I don’t think hid long form says Negro or Black, I think it classifies him as Caucasian.
So it is a “legit” document that was printed under false circumstances. I am theorizing that it was printed by someone in the Vital Statistics Office, but as my OWN COLB shows, by the messed up date, that anyone who knew how to do it could have printed one up with the information of choice, then put the seal on it folded it, and sent it on its way. The Date stamp on the Fact Check Document has the date stamp above Onaka’s name, which could only have been printed in the snail mail order room, like mine is. It is ALSO a separate room. There are three printing Machines in that office which could have been used, the front desk, which has a date stamper to the Side of Onaka’s stamp (also printed by the machines at the same time as the rest of the Document is printed), and the internet order area, which also has the stamp to the side, and the oldest machine, which has the date ABOVE Onaka’s stamp. Now I know this because while I was confirming the order date of my own COLB I did a little digging, and the clerk was very informative and helpful. Obama got a COLB that was printed in the Mail Order’s separate room. If it was ordered at the front desk, then it would have been printed there, not in the snail mail room, unless someone was going to change some of the info on it and wanted to conceal that...
Now is the date on the back of the fact check document on or about the same as one of his vacations to the Islands? I was told that it can take up to a month to process orders, but I think he likely got it handed to him on or about the same time he or Grandma ordered it. In reality that doesn’t matter, Grandma could have pulled strings at any time and had it mailed to him.
Now, because the COLB that Barry has is legit looking, all he has to do is make sure his Long Form Birth Certificate NEVER sees the light of day, and that his school records and financial aid applications never see the light of day either. Why? Because his Long form would say that he is Caucasian, and his school records/financial aid, under his Barry Soetoro name show him to be a foreigner from Indonesia. I could go into the whole Immigration status thing, which I do think has some validity to it, and certainly has not been looked at by a Court AS OF YET, so I will leave that alone for now, it could well be he is a citizen, but because of dual citizenship issues, he is not a Natural Born citizen.
But I digress.
OK so he now has his Black enough Street creds, and a “legit” COLB, he should be in the clear right? Only if you assume that the COLB he has was gotten in 2007 was 100% legit, and I have proof that a COLB can have incorrect information in it - Because MINE DOES.
Some time ago, I remember reading that Barry’s lawyer that had seen the document said that he was indeed born in Hawaii, but that his records contained information that would be “embarrassing”. Is Caucasian embarrassing enough? Is lying to the Black Community enough? Is gaining their support with a lie embarrassing enough? Do you think it possible that once this information became public, with the release of a Long Form BC stating he was Caucasian, that the black community would become apathetic to him in part or in whole?
Add to this, Barry describes his grandmother as the rock of his family, as well as describing her as “afraid of Black men”, do you think that she, with her connections, her strength of charachter, and a wayward 17 year old daughter having shown some poor decision making in the recent past from Grandma’s perspective, could have required that her daughter state the race of her child as accurately being predominately white, which he is? I do indeed think so.
Folks, I think that Barry may well have been born in Hawaii, solid evidence of some other place being missing, that he was registered with the office of Vital Statistics as being Caucasian. He states in his book that he HAD all his birth records at one time, why would he need a new COLB in 2007 if that’s the case? Because he needed one that would gain him the support of the Black Community, and indeed they got a real live “African” even better!!
So if this theory is true, do you think that come 2011 that the black community is going to be as fired up about their lying Mulatto pretending to “African” status? Ummm hummmm.
Do you think they would have supported him as strongly as they did in 2008 as a mostly white guy?? As the messiah? As the ONE? I don’t think so. I could be wrong on that... But I don’t think so. Perceptions matter sometimes, and there is a world of difference in perceiving Barry as African and White. All the difference in the world to the Black Community, enough to win the Presidency.
Remember, he only won by a few percentage points. His electoral numbers came from fewer total states that had higher numbers of Blacks in the population.
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Tear the theory apart please!
Done. I posted his heritage
Ridiculous. Obama was never worried about the black vote, and 95% of blacks have probably never seen his BC, much less cared what ethnicity was typed on it for his father.
You theory conforms to many of the facts we think we know relevant to the core issue, “Why doesn’t Obama release his birth certificate?” It would come down to a political ploy.
Your theory would make life easy for Obama, he could plausibly deny any involvement in any “inaccurate” COLB issued by Hawaii.
Interestingly, your theory survives even if Hawaii’s mail room is not involved.
The findings by expert document examiners that the COLB is a fabrication supports involvement by other than the mail room.
Further, there is the assertion that Hawaii has indicated it did not issue an Obama COLB in 2007, but the evidence for that assertion is unclear.
As it is, O is “in up to here” with the forged (fraudulent) document appearing on the internet. His attorney informed the court on January 26, 2009 that O had published a birth certificate on the internet, and this was confirmed during the same approximate time by WH spokesman Gibbs.
I agree with PhiKapMom, send it to Orly, every little piece helps and she can decide whether and how it fits into her legal theory.
“I did not mean to imply that she was some big mucky muck.”
That is the only reasonable inference from what you said:
“Grandma is VERY well connected in Honolulu. You don’t get to the position of VP of Hawaii’s largest bank and NOT be connected. In Hawaii connections are everything. With connections, you can do just about anything, a favor is a favor, and Grandma likely had more than just a few to pull in.”
The vast majority of bank vice presidents are hardly “VERY well connected.” They will know a lot of folks, and they may have a very little pull with some folks not high in the social food chain. That doesn't make them "VERY well connected."
“With connections, you can do just about anything, a favor is a favor, and Grandma likely had more than just a few to pull in.”
Unlikely. Most bank vice presidents have little leeway to do actual favors for folks that they can “pull in” later on. I've been dealing with my current bank for 18 years, and the folks at my local branch are very nice to me, including any and all the vice presidents. They never hold deposited checks as long as they might legally, although I've nearly never had a deposited check bounce on me. They're always trying to show me new and [to them] interesting banking products, always ready to extend more credit to me and other local businessfolks, and they are generally nice people.
But in 18 years, none of them have ever done anything for me approaching a favor that they could later “pull in” for a reciprocal favor on my part. ESPECIALLY if the favor had anything to do with cutting legal corners.
This part (along with other parts, as noted by other posters) of your tale isn't credible.
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“My theory was that it was “father unknown” or “bastard”, depending on how Hawaii phrased it in those days,....”
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This could mean that the last two democrat “Pres__ents” can legitimately called illegitimate, birth-wise, if not completely. At the very least they could be called real bastards.
Ya know, by the standard of al-taqqiyia, I spect it would be ok for him to lie about being a Christian his whole life. That would explain why there have’nt been any fatwas against him for being an apostate. If a muslin lieth to gain favor with the infidel so to be promoted into the position of Grand Mufti, the Supreme Caliph of the USA, Allah smiles.
Just wait till he flies a muzln flag over the white house to celebrate some occasion. This too will be a signal.
There IS no birth certificate anymore. It does not exist. An electronic record exists. Also, Obama is under no legal mandate to prove to us anything. There is no law implementing the natural-born citizenship requirement. Only Congress can determine if he fails to qualify, and only when it counts the Electoral Votes.
“Major error: The baby’s race is not listed on the COLB.
Also, whatever point you made about 2000 vs. 2007 on your COLB is not coming through in what you began your piece with.”
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Ok, let me point out that I have BOTH a Long form that my mom filled out in her own handwriting, and the COLB from the state of Hawaii. It has a SPECIFIC place on the COLB that states “Race”. Not just ONCE, but TWICE. This is one of the things that sort of gets my attention, there is only ONE section asking for a race designation on Obama’s Factcheck COLB. Perhaps Hawaii in recognition of mixed parentage by 1969 and got more specific. I can’t answer that question. All I can tell you is exactly what I see, which is:”Mother’s Race” and “Father’s race”. Underneath both sections my race is listed as “Caucasian”. I am looking directly at my OWN COLB, which is directly from the HDH AND has the raised stamp, it is an official document. So I don’t know where you come off saying that.
Now as for the 2000 date, I was told by the HDH office that my COLB was ordered by my mom in Feb of 2000 off a record made in the computerized system. Which is correct, I had my wallet stolen in 2000 during a move and I needed to re-create my official identity, so I had my mom order me the COLB so I could do that. When the office printed out my COLB to send to my mom, it was SUPPOSED to be dated with the real date it was printed on. Which should have been Mar 6. 2000. Instead it says Mar 6. 2007. It is very distinctly different. I was told that I could sent my current COLB in and they would send me a new one with a proper date on it. The point is, it was somehow miss-dated in 2000. It should have had a 2000 date on it because that is the year and the day that it went through the machine.
You don't convince people with such nasty derision. Interesting, coming from a poster with a lot of Christian stuff on your home page. As I read this post, it was obvious to me that it is a first draft, and the author was asking for constructive criticisms to refine the theory, if indeed it is plausible. You have hooted and repeatedly flung poo, but have provided no constructive proofs of your flat assertions.
Learn to debate properly.
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Try reading instead of writing. I posted the constructive proof directly to you.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2302120/posts?page=64#64
His fact check has only ONE slot for Race, which underneath that, says African.
Stanley is Ann Duhams father, Ann’s first name is also Stanley. Yea confusing.
Ummmm, I think I did. Because he had a “New” colb printed with the race listed as “African” to show to the Black Community. Meanwhile his Long Form has Caucasian or something else on it. It would mean proof of a forgery, even if legitimately printed on a Hawaii Machine from the Office of Vital Statistics... and possibly mean some serious consequences for the state of Hawaii and the person who did the deed and sent it to Obama.
I guess nothing can be proven until documents are released. Sealed documents only lead to people filling in the blanks with their own theory. I can only absorb what is given as fact and throw out what I see as not fact by assumption. We all can only assume unless proven wrong. I haven’t seen any evidence (true evidence) of who or what this man actually is.
Kind of irritating to say the least! So, I guess we all can agree to disagree and cross our fingers that someone one day will shed light on all of this and give us the facts plain and simple.
Good luck on your quest too!
I am curious why Obama asked for a copy of his birth certificate in May/June of 2007. Why didn’t he have a COLB before this time? Wouldn’t he have had to have one for a passport, a driver’s license, his law license, as a state senator, as a US senator?
Obama announced his candidacy in Feb, 2007 then requests a birth certificate in May/June 2007. Why?
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