Posted on 07/27/2009 11:12:35 AM PDT by Danae
Ok here is a theory.
To preface what follows, I was born in Hawaii in 1969. I have both my long form BC and my COLB from that state.
My COLB was printed for me at my mothers request in a letter that was received (and confirmed by computer records by the Vital Stats office in the Hawaiian Dept of Health in Honolulu) and my COLB that I received should have had the date of Mar.6 2000. It states Mar. 6 2007 (!).
Stick with me through what follows.
Lets just say that in 2007 when Barry was really getting into running for President that he was facing some questions from the black community, which was indeed the case. The question in the black community was this: Is he black enough? Barry is 50% white, 44% Arab and 6% Black from the breakdown that I have repeatedly seen. So the black community isn’t sure they can support this guy because he is half white, and we have all heard the condescension that Black people have given to mulatto children. Certainly in my lifetime I can remember some rather racist black kids riding the mulatto kids I knew. Barry is most definitely Mulatto.
Ok so he has a problem with convincing the Black community to support him, and he NEEDS their support, and that of ACORN, the two go hand in hand.
So, Barry goes back to Hawaii on vacation, visits grandma. Grandma is VERY well connected in Honolulu. You don’t get to the position of VP of Hawaii’s largest bank and NOT be connected. In Hawaii connections are everything. With connections, you can do just about anything, a favor is a favor, and Grandma likely had more than just a few to pull in. Thats just how the islands work. I am not going to try and explain it more than that, it would take too long. But I have connected family on Kauai to this day, so let’s just stipulate that I know what I am talking about.
Back to the story. Barry needs to solidly convince a lot of Black people that he has the creds to run from the Black community, to counter his detractors on the whole Black enough issue.
A COLB stating African would do that pretty convincingly. Grandma pulls a few strings and gets Barry a COLB that states African, and is actually a real document from the State of Hawaii because it indeed came from there, but under some false circumstances. Mainly that his race was African, when clearly it wasn’t, he had a White Mother. If anything, original COLB would have said Negro or Black. That might not be enough to counter the white half of his genetic make up in the Black Community, but stating “AFRICAN” WOULD. But I don’t think hid long form says Negro or Black, I think it classifies him as Caucasian.
So it is a “legit” document that was printed under false circumstances. I am theorizing that it was printed by someone in the Vital Statistics Office, but as my OWN COLB shows, by the messed up date, that anyone who knew how to do it could have printed one up with the information of choice, then put the seal on it folded it, and sent it on its way. The Date stamp on the Fact Check Document has the date stamp above Onaka’s name, which could only have been printed in the snail mail order room, like mine is. It is ALSO a separate room. There are three printing Machines in that office which could have been used, the front desk, which has a date stamper to the Side of Onaka’s stamp (also printed by the machines at the same time as the rest of the Document is printed), and the internet order area, which also has the stamp to the side, and the oldest machine, which has the date ABOVE Onaka’s stamp. Now I know this because while I was confirming the order date of my own COLB I did a little digging, and the clerk was very informative and helpful. Obama got a COLB that was printed in the Mail Order’s separate room. If it was ordered at the front desk, then it would have been printed there, not in the snail mail room, unless someone was going to change some of the info on it and wanted to conceal that...
Now is the date on the back of the fact check document on or about the same as one of his vacations to the Islands? I was told that it can take up to a month to process orders, but I think he likely got it handed to him on or about the same time he or Grandma ordered it. In reality that doesn’t matter, Grandma could have pulled strings at any time and had it mailed to him.
Now, because the COLB that Barry has is legit looking, all he has to do is make sure his Long Form Birth Certificate NEVER sees the light of day, and that his school records and financial aid applications never see the light of day either. Why? Because his Long form would say that he is Caucasian, and his school records/financial aid, under his Barry Soetoro name show him to be a foreigner from Indonesia. I could go into the whole Immigration status thing, which I do think has some validity to it, and certainly has not been looked at by a Court AS OF YET, so I will leave that alone for now, it could well be he is a citizen, but because of dual citizenship issues, he is not a Natural Born citizen.
But I digress.
OK so he now has his Black enough Street creds, and a “legit” COLB, he should be in the clear right? Only if you assume that the COLB he has was gotten in 2007 was 100% legit, and I have proof that a COLB can have incorrect information in it - Because MINE DOES.
Some time ago, I remember reading that Barry’s lawyer that had seen the document said that he was indeed born in Hawaii, but that his records contained information that would be “embarrassing”. Is Caucasian embarrassing enough? Is lying to the Black Community enough? Is gaining their support with a lie embarrassing enough? Do you think it possible that once this information became public, with the release of a Long Form BC stating he was Caucasian, that the black community would become apathetic to him in part or in whole?
Add to this, Barry describes his grandmother as the rock of his family, as well as describing her as “afraid of Black men”, do you think that she, with her connections, her strength of charachter, and a wayward 17 year old daughter having shown some poor decision making in the recent past from Grandma’s perspective, could have required that her daughter state the race of her child as accurately being predominately white, which he is? I do indeed think so.
Folks, I think that Barry may well have been born in Hawaii, solid evidence of some other place being missing, that he was registered with the office of Vital Statistics as being Caucasian. He states in his book that he HAD all his birth records at one time, why would he need a new COLB in 2007 if that’s the case? Because he needed one that would gain him the support of the Black Community, and indeed they got a real live “African” even better!!
So if this theory is true, do you think that come 2011 that the black community is going to be as fired up about their lying Mulatto pretending to “African” status? Ummm hummmm.
Do you think they would have supported him as strongly as they did in 2008 as a mostly white guy?? As the messiah? As the ONE? I don’t think so. I could be wrong on that... But I don’t think so. Perceptions matter sometimes, and there is a world of difference in perceiving Barry as African and White. All the difference in the world to the Black Community, enough to win the Presidency.
Remember, he only won by a few percentage points. His electoral numbers came from fewer total states that had higher numbers of Blacks in the population.
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Tear the theory apart please!
Ok...scratch one “expert witness.”
So that link gets pulled. Interesting. Maybe the mods know more about that guy who’s got it in for you than we do. Mostly it’s a gigantic ad hominem attack, so I can see how it wouldn’t be allowed.
Where is my apology?
“gigantic ad hominem attack”
I have no idea what posts you are talking about, I never saw them, however, Polarik attacked me with no cause, and also happens to be completely wrong in his analysis and conclusions.
That was allowed.
Frankly his assessment that a real document from the state of Hawaii is a fake calls into question his credibility far more than it does mine. Oh and the Receipt for the order of that COLB in 2000 the only one ever ordered, from the Hawaiian Department of Health has not yet arrived. I expect it late in the week.
The thread was pulled. What did the posting troll try to pass off at FR?
Well, I know what the official in the Vital Records told me about the numbering ID in the lower left of the exhibit you posted. Either you are mistaken as to when you recieved the document (the form would not have gone into use more than a year before the dating on the document form so you could not have gotten a document with that coding more than a year before it was put into use, 11/01); or someone in Hawaii Vital Records doesn't know what their own document information means.
I think I'll go with the Hawaiian Vital Reords being correct on their own codes and let you alone for a while in your stew. But you keep attacking Ron Polarik and I'll make the call again and record the answer and put it up on the Internet to let folks decide regarding your credulity.
Hey there ...
so, when I post up the reciept and maybe even the emails I have sent back and forth to the Vital Records Department (who is right now officially investigating the meaning of the numbers for me), you gonna apologize to me yourself?
I will happily ALSO post up the envelope they send me the receipt in. As of this afternoon, it has not arrived, and as I said earlier, I do not expect it until Saturday at the earliest.
I have not outted Polarik, he has discredited himself by calling a real document a fraud. Thats HIS problem. Given his venom and yours, no, I am not going to back down from the truth.
If Polarik can’t tell the difference between a real document with an error on it, and a fake one, then he is absolutely in the wrong field.
You are an absolute joke. If you ACTUALLY think I am capable of creating the document I have in my possession, creating a forgery... they you had better back off what ever it is you are smokin, because the suggestion is absolutely INSANE.
Have a nice evening.
Bump for later ........
Apparently I can’t even post the link, in this thread my comments #339 and 340 were pulled because they had the link.
Why do you call Techwriter a troll?
have no idea what posts you are talking about, I never saw them,
***The thread was pulled, along with my comments with the links to the original source. The information was kinda consistent with what you have been saying in this thread.
however, Polarik attacked me with no cause,
***I think he had cause. Everyone thought that it was highly improbable that you would receive a 2001 document in the year 2000. And it’s still unexplained why it has a 2007 stamp on it. So I wouldn’t say he had no cause.
and also happens to be completely wrong in his analysis and conclusions.
***That may be correct. There are others on this board who have qualifications as good as or maybe even better than Polarik, but they seem to have preferred silence rather than risk their analysis proven wrong.
That was allowed.
Frankly his assessment that a real document from the state of Hawaii is a fake calls into question his credibility far more than it does mine.
***Assuming what you say is true, I agree, which is why I said that no matter how this turns out, you have generated a very useful data point.
Oh and the Receipt for the order of that COLB in 2000 the only one ever ordered, from the Hawaiian Department of Health has not yet arrived. I expect it late in the week.
***If the receipt says that it was the only one ever ordered, then how did a 2007 datestamp show up on it? It was supposedly prima facie legal evidence, but it was invalid for 7 years.
If the receipt says that it was the only one ever ordered, then how did a 2007 datestamp show up on it? It was supposedly prima facie legal evidence, but it was invalid for 7 years.
That is precisely my question to them. However, no one I presented it to questioned it in the least.
Believe me, they are looking at scanned copies of what I have, I have emailed them front and back copies. To say that it is concerning is an understatement. Honestly I am damn glad I never ran into problems with it. Its amazing really that I didn’t!
Like I said, the receipt is in the mail and I can guarantee that the 2000 entry will be the only one on there because thats the only one that has been ordered. Anything else would leave me floored on a level that would make me question my own sanity.
Okay, let’s say that everything you say is 100% verifiable. What does that mean? Does this mean that it’s more likely that Obama has gamed this obviously fallible system in some way? Your corner overlap borders on the BC look like zer0bama’s, which is a focus of this controversy. I think it’s possible that there was a stash of these blank BC’s lying around that were destined for the trash heap but got set aside for “just in case we run out” or maybe even nefarious purposes.
Ok... I have been through every post on this thread, and I think perhaps it was at 348 or 349 which got pulled by the mod. I am still looking for it, I know I posted it because I also posted the Receipts from the State of Hawaii. I took a bunch of stuff down off the internet, including those receipts, If you REALLY want those then I will privately email em to you. But the apology was included with the posts with the receipts.
As for all that, I think Obama has a legit COLB. I don’t think he paperwork behind that COLB are legit. It is what is in his vital records that he refuses to release that the real important stuff lay. The COLB is more or less irrelevant. What allowed him to GET one is.
Looks to me like 348 and 349 are still here. It was 339 and 340 that were pulled, and they were MY posts linking to a URL that questioned Polarik’s veracity.
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