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1 posted on 07/26/2009 1:54:25 PM PDT by joeu01
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I’m surprised, but then Ann is human, she can make mistakes!


2 posted on 07/26/2009 1:55:27 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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If there is no issue Ann then show the birth certificate to the public that wants to see it.......


3 posted on 07/26/2009 1:56:50 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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"These so-called "conservative leaders" Coulter and Huckabee are way behind the curve.... "

Since when did anybody ever call Huckabee a conservative leader?

4 posted on 07/26/2009 1:57:26 PM PDT by Cheap_Hessian
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The attacks on the dress story, along with testimony leaks, made it easier for columnists and commentators to downplay the dress story, after it reemerged. It also made it more likely that they could be spun by the White House. One such comment: Geraldo Rivera's July 8 declaration that there is "absolutely no possibility that a so-called semen-stained dress exists" based on the fact that "Monica has insisted to everyone that things never went that far.

What will Geraldo say when...

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6 posted on 07/26/2009 2:03:40 PM PDT by JCG
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This is a big, big, BIG mistake for Coulter.


7 posted on 07/26/2009 2:05:56 PM PDT by Tax Government (Sarah NOW.)
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Ann, Ann, Ann......! Soon you will have to eat those words.


9 posted on 07/26/2009 2:10:06 PM PDT by 2harddrive (S)
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Ann doesn’t have to take up on Obama’s birth certificate. But at the right time she will jump in same as Limbaugh will. As the cases progress there will be a right time coming in a year or two


13 posted on 07/26/2009 2:17:17 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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Look, the bus is going over the cliff and some of us on the right are inside arguing over whether or not the driver has a valid license.

Forget the birth certificate. Forget the license.

FIRST STOP THE BUS!

If there is a country left after the Obankruptcy Administration finishes with "stimulus," "cap and trade" and health care (or is it insurance?) reform, there will be enough liberty and time left to sort out the birth thing. Yes it is important but it is not more important than what is happening right now.

17 posted on 07/26/2009 2:22:49 PM PDT by catpuppy
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There is a part of the story that just about every one is ignoring - including posters here.

It is something that people should start concentrating on and it goes like this:

Some say there is no reason for Ann to have gone to Kenya.

There is a very important reason for her to have gone there.

Obama Sr LIED on his application to get married (where is the press on this)

There was no legal marriage in the US.

I repeat for the Press including Ann Coulter ...THERE WAS NO LEGAL MARRIAGE IN THE US.

Kenya would not have considered it a legal marriage as you could not mix statutory marriages with customary marriages.

There is NO PROOF that they got married in the US - but there is a divorce claiming they got married. So what, Obama Sr already showed he was willing to lie. Maybe the divorce decree was really for the marriage in Kenya????

Back in the 60s..there was a stigma with teenagers getting pregnant.
There was a stigma with illegitimate babies.
there was a stigma with mixed race babies.

They get Obama Sr to wed Ann - he might not have even been the father. He doesn’t look like Obama and there certainly never seemed to be a REAL marriage relationship with Ann (maybe it was a ploy to get him US citizenship that went awry for whatever reason...INCLUDING because he was already married)

Problem is..not a legitimate marriage.

The only way to get a legitimate marriage would be for her to go to Kenya and have a customary marriage.

Remember that Sr had people backing him. In fact, that may be how he got forced into this charade.

How does that effect citizenship.

If born in Kenya - UK citizen. US citizen IF US Immigration did not recognize any of the marriages because there was only a one year requirement for out of wedlock child.
They wouldn’t recognize the one in Hawaii..but they might if there was a customary marriage in Kenya ( I haven’t look into whether they would)
So US citizenship based on whether he was born out of wedlock if born in Kenya.

UK citizenship ONLY if born in Kenya or there was a customary marriage. This was later outlawed (because she was domiciled in the US) but they might not have taken away his citizenship if he already had it.

UK citizen could not have been conferred on him if born IN THE US without a Legal Marriage. So far, we know there wasn’t one.

Bottom line, there absolutely is a reason for her to have gone to Kenya and Hawaii would have allowed a hawaiian birth certificate. Hell bells, he could have been born in a hut somewhere. Didn’t Hawaii law allow for someone born of a midwife etc to be registered as a Hawaiian citizen?

Maybe that is what is showing on his birth certificate and he doesn’t want anyone to know. Born by midwife in Hawaii (but really in Kenya) and no proof it was actually Hawaii anywhere...thus showing up his lie about being born in such and such Hospital. Mystery birth, no documents, other than a claim on the birth certificate that it was in Hawaii.

Ann Coulter should pay attention to the issues here instead of waving it off. She isn’t even paying attention to the fact that Sr and possibly Ann LIED - punishable by prison- to get married.


19 posted on 07/26/2009 2:26:12 PM PDT by RummyChick
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Its right here its only an "Issue" if someone makes it an "Issue" LOL
20 posted on 07/26/2009 2:26:42 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Imagine if Bush had said the police acted stupidly when a black cop arrests a mouthy KKK member.)
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Birth certificates, passports, scholarships, transcripts: these all matter. Otherwise, we have a mystery man. Who needs that in that office?


25 posted on 07/26/2009 2:34:31 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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She probably saw the following document, below and also -- basically knows it's not legally required for Obama or any other candidate to show his birth certificate. What is legally required is for Obama to swear, under oath, that he is a "natural born citizen" and that he meets the qualifications for the Office of President of the United States, per the Constitution -- which he has done, about 50 times in 50 different places...


http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1703




26 posted on 07/26/2009 2:35:47 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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Why does she think we should reward a lie? The bc we were shown is false, provably so.... Should we just give obamanation a pass on lying... for that is what we have been doing in everything else he says... acting like we don't know that he is lying.... what hypocrites we are!!
30 posted on 07/26/2009 2:37:27 PM PDT by bareford101
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It is beginning to appear that Ann has been lobotomized.


32 posted on 07/26/2009 2:41:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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And an easily answered question remains: “Why not the real one?”

Somehow I smell a bunch of Obama. (That’s the stuff you step in when walking around Pelosi’s house.)


35 posted on 07/26/2009 2:46:14 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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Ann’s wrogn on this. Wehre is teh birth certificate? How does she account for a member of teh Kenyan government (a Cabinet minister) recently saying Obama was born there?

If there is a birth certificate, it would only take BO a couple of minutes to sign a letter to teh Hawaii Secretary of State asking that it be released. The release of it would pretty much end the issue. So why won’t he do that?

Remember: the simplest explanation that covers all the facts.


43 posted on 07/26/2009 2:59:53 PM PDT by TBP
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AC must be getting threats....”do not support the BC issue....or no guest spots on programs”

I think AC has traded credibility for face time...


51 posted on 07/26/2009 3:42:35 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Know the difference between "conservative" and "republican")
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The Huckster does have a point- If Obama were not eligible to be president, the Clinton machine would have ferreted it out. That has got to be the single biggest argument against Obama not being a natural born citizen.


52 posted on 07/26/2009 3:43:12 PM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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After listening to the discussion you should note that everyone misquotes the accepted interpretation of natural born citizen accepted by Patrick Leahy, Clair McGaskill, former Chief Justice John Marshall (see The Venus, 1814) born of the soil and BOTH PARENTS CITIZENS. Don't be cowed by supposedly well-informed people not understanding this definition. First, media people are effective because they appear to know what they are talking about. Even justice Ginsberg, in a 2001 case, did not know that a citizen by law is not necessarily a natural born citizen, or that born on US soil was not sufficient. Both parents must be citizens. Most lawyers of whom I've asked this question have never had occassion to examine the definition, from Vattel, of ‘natural born citizen.’ and did not know that both parents must have been citizens. The media may be able to quash the legal facts by denigrating those who question them, but Obama, if his father is the Kenyan he has said he is, cannot be natural born.

I agree with Coulter about Hillary - she certainly knows. Hillary co-signed Senate Res. 511 wherein “born of parents who are citizens’ was right up front. http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html We can save the analysis of why Hillary didn't challenge him for another discussion - I can think of lots of scenarios - but the key is that our constitution requires that the president and vice president, and only those offices, to be filled by ‘natural born citizens’ - born of the soil of parents who are themselves citizens.

I like Coulter, but she isn't infallible. I have learned that lawyers, while the Latin terms and sometimes stilted grammatical constructions can be daunting, often wing it, and hope the reader will not follow their flawed logic. That is probably why Lexis and Nexus, and publishers of legal volumes do well. There is lots and lots of case law, but there have been few cases in 200 years where the issue of natural born citizenship was germane. Lawyers often decide what their conclusion must be to be paid, and go looking for case law to support their conclusions - like the scientists whose salaries depend upon supporting global warming dogma. Perhaps someone should suggest to Coulter that she go back and read the prevailing decision by Chief Justice Marshall in The Venus!

Of course, Coulter was only referring to the birth certificate. She did not misdefine natural born citizen, or claim that citizenship was sufficient for presidential eligibility. Perhap she infers, along with Leo Donofrio and Mario Apuzzo that the documents are being saved to embarass those caught up with forensic examination of the certifications displayed on the web, along with his military registration. The real issue is natural born citizenship. Obama has sworn that he is natural born. There is no doubt that he knows what that means. There is strong evidence that he would like that provision to be changed. It hasn't been changed, and he entered the arena swearing he was qualified. That issue must be resolved by the courts. Legal discovery will expose the documents, and I too think it likely that some documents will appear.

Who could be surprised at anything Geraldo says, or a black acolyte from Columbia, or Lindsey Grammnisty?

55 posted on 07/26/2009 4:12:43 PM PDT by Spaulding
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Ann is correct as usual.


56 posted on 07/26/2009 4:19:18 PM PDT by Sloth (The Second Amendment is the ultimate "term limit.")
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