Posted on 07/21/2009 9:58:29 AM PDT by pissant
"This isn't one of those things that goes away quite as easily as I'd thought," Dobbs says, saying that this isn't the "fringe" and that Obama hasn't produced a birth certificate. (He long ago released an official copy, the standard document. As often noted, it actually does go away quite easily.)
"I have no idea what the reality is here," says Dobbs, later wondering, "You suppose he's undoc -- no, I wouldn't use the word 'undocumented,' wouldn't be right."
Well, if a candidate is found to be ineligible, his electoral votes are tossed out, right? So John McCain would win the election by default. Not sure about Sarah, though. Maybe it would be McCain-Biden. Actually, they would probably be pretty compatible.
“We are past being fooled with a COLB. . . .”
Which Hawaii can’t or won’t confirm was actually issued by them.
You said — The difference is that you have accepted that as legit. Most conservatives have not.
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Well, that’s where you’ve got a misunderstanding then. I’m saying that it’s irrelevant what is on a website. What is *relevant* is what is required to be produced and shown *by law*. And until that happens, it doesn’t matter what is shown on a website.
The *key* is to close the loophole. Nothing that is ever said or speculated about or analyzed or *anything* about something on a website shown as an image document, will make a bit of difference in a court of law.
Until “that law” comes into play (which doesn’t exist yet), which requires specific documentation being given, the required procedures for being a candidate for President of the United States have been followed, just as prior candidates have done. That’s why no court is going to do anything about removing Obama from office (and why none has done so, thus far).
I’m saying to get on with what is going to close the loophole in order to get the documentation that everyone wants.
LoL! A business idea. Have a cup of Oh-bama. The lefty Libs would swallow it all. ;-)
Good. I'll take a crippled Biden presidency anytime over an Obama communistic and authoritarian takeover of the county.
How can it be irrelevant what is on the website (the COLB) when:
A. The Obama camp and ALL his defenders point to his "birth certificate" posted on the website as 'proof' of NBC status.
B. That document has irrefutably been shown to have been a doctored image. That in itself is illegal.
C. If it is later demonstrated through one of these lawsuits that he is not what the COLB claims (a NBC) then he will have to vacate the office and probably be subject to prosecution.
I’m saying to get on with what is going to close the loophole in order to get the documentation that everyone wants.
No one here is arguing that the loophole should not be closed going forward. We all agree.
But when you have a marxist fraud pretending to be president, you use legal means necessary to get rid of him ASAP.
You said — But when you have a marxist fraud pretending to be president, you use legal means necessary to get rid of him ASAP.
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The time to have done that would have been before the election and not electing him. But, even after the election, when people were watching court cases, then — nothing was happening with them in getting Obama from taking office.
And nothing happened when people sent warnings and appeals to Electoral College Voters about doing something about it. And nothing happened when some appealed to the Supreme Court to stop the Electoral College votes. And nothing happened in Congress when they certified the Electoral College vote. And nothing happened with Cheney when he presided over the certification of the Electoral College Vote. And nothing happened, even with President Bush, in using the resources of the office of President of the United States to prevent the Constitution from being violated, if he had proof of it (and mind you, that’s his mandate in office... and if he didn’t do anything about it, one has to wonder if he even had any evidence at all). And finally, nothing was done in the Supreme Court to stop the swearing in of Obama into office.
After seeing all that — I can tell you that the “ASAP” is *definitely* going to be the next election.
So, I would urge people to “get on the stick” and get the state legislation through as soon as possible in your own respective states.
Right. Thanks for your comments.
I would hope nothing like that happened.
Of course, here on FR and throughout the conservative blogs, this issue WAS raised and lawsuits were filed well before the election. There are several still out there that have not been dismissed. And I find it outrageous that many have been dismissed for lack of standing. That is a total crock.
And of course our warnings to the electoral college went unheeded. What would you expect from a bunch of electors that masturbate to the sound of Obama's speeches.
Like I said, we will get his records from his cold marxist fingers come hell or high water.
The jazz pianist? I thought he was dead?
Yes, I agree.
You said — And of course our warnings to the electoral college went unheeded. What would you expect from a bunch of electors that masturbate to the sound of Obama’s speeches.
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What was the excuse for Cheney and Bush not defending the Constitution, then?
I don’t know. I do believe that he would be the president.
They believed Obama and the demonrats that Obama was qualified.
Probably handed to him by Carter.
The natural born citizen requirement in the Constitution is not a "big loophole". It is a "big requirement". The lawless one has sworn that he meets that "big requirement". We are all calling his bluff and asking him to show us the goods that he has sworn to. Failure to do so means that he has committed FRAUD and continues to do so every day that goes by.
Do you think that a someone who has committed FRAUD to get into office should be allowed to serve out his term in that office??? According to you and your naive opinions here, he should. Are you for real????
A special election would be called...Biden would not be POTUS for over a few months.
You said — The natural born citizen requirement in the Constitution is not a “big loophole”. It is a “big requirement”.
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Okay..., let’s go down that track. Tell me... what court has affirmed that and given a judgment/verdict on Obama that people can take to the next step of removing him from office?
If you don’t have that (i.e., the court and the judgment/verdict, regarding Obama’s non-qualification per the Constitution) — you’ve got nothing except a staring match across a “line in the sand”...
Does anyone have a list of instruction/laws implementing Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution regarding qualifications for President.
I have done some research for South Carolina and the wording on the Secretary of State’s site seems to ,at least partly, depend on the Party to ensure candidate qualification. There is nothing about what should be submitted to substantiate that the candidate is qualified.... seems to be sort of an honor code for people without honor. I also remember (December I believe) a statement from the SOS ‘s office that they were considering asking for proof of Sen. Obama’s eligibility.... don’t remember anything else about it.
It seems that the Federal Election Commission would be other agency responsible for verifying qualifications for the candidate, but I seem to recall (on a Lou Dobbs thread) that they did not do this.
I would think the role of the court in this would be two foal, are policies in place to implement the requirements for candidacy and were these policies adhered to. If either/or both were not accomplished then the Court should implement a remedy.
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