Skip to comments.If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim RobinsonEdited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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(continuing my remarks from prior thread)
Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.
Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.
Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.
An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:
The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.
An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.
A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.
Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.
We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:
The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.
As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:
The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.
We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.
The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.
We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.
The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.
We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.
The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.
The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).
The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.
Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.
Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.
The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.
No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.
All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.
The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.
Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.
The Federal Reserve.
FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.
Etc, etc, etc.
Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.
This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.
“Organizing a peaceful demonstration is not treason. Good God....”
Absolutely NOBODY here has a problem with that.
Absolutely NOBODY here has a problem calling out the socialist scum-bucket politicians who have passed bailouts and budgets that are bankrupting us and are voting to destroy our freedoms with ObamaCare and cap-n-trade etc.
Absolutely NOBODY here has a problem with finding ways to bounce their worthless butts out of office ... in the next election.
The SPECIFIC issue and concern was/is the impatient call to somehow overturn the results of the last election with some direct action, in a way that contravenes the laws and Constitution we patriots revere. It’s a contradiction. It’s also a pipedream and a dangerous one at that and has ALREADY been used by others to cast Freepers as wackos.
“Let’s go for a separation.”
Let’s put down the crack pipe and go for winning the next election.
They are talking about having a super majority to be able to change the fair tax rate once it is put in place. The fair tax will put in front of every consumer with every purchase what they are actually paying for their government.
The taxes will no longer be hidden from view in corporate taxes, tax compliance (Billions per year for compliance for citizens and corporations.)
The FairTax intentionally didn’t try to take on the whole enchilada as it is tax revenue neutral. Getting this passed will be a herculean task in itself. Just removing the power of tax manipulation from the politicians and lobbyists wont fix the whole socialistic mess we are in, but it get the ship pointed in the right direction at least.
See my tagline for the rest of your comment. I’ve had it for about a month.
By the way, I was hoping some folks much smarter and more experienced than I would make suggestions for improving the concept.
Thanks again. That’s exactly the kind of constructive commentary I’m looking for.
Ah yes, the liberal intelligensia is trying VERY HARD to make Obama's Regime the Next FDR, replete with a new Great Depression Permanent Crisis to get Government to hook Americans into dependency. What they remember from history is that FDR'a innovations radically and permanently altered the relationship of the people with the Federal Govt. All your description is a definition of Federal Government as it existed from 1789 to 1933.
What Obama wants is the next step in that evolution: Handing power to the UN; controlling the energy sector and socializing the healthcare sector; tax rates back in Carter era levels.
The Tea Party movement and the rapid negative reaction to the Obama agenda is an indicator that this times it's different. What we need to understand is that any policy innovation has to survive 3 tests: 1. The test of getting affirmed by candidates for office. 2. The test of passing legislation. 3. The test of permanence, when it doesnt get repealed.
We may have to spend the next 10 years fighting to clean up the messes made NOW by the bailouts, ObamaCare, etc. But the fight we wage needs to be focussed, specific and have a clear agenda in mind: Defeat and repeal these 5 key elements of Obama's agenda: 1. Higher taxes. 2. Bailouts and takeovers 3. Obamacare socialized medicine 4. Cap-n-trade energy taxes 5. Out of control deficit spending. Walking back the rest of American liberalism will take more education and activism than is available in this CURRENT EMERGENCY. Focus on defeating Obama's agenda as the #1 goal and you will have a achieved a victory as important as Reagan's election in 1980..
On April 28th, 2003, Hillary Clinton said: I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow youre not patriotic, and we should stand up and say, We are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!"
Don't see any reason why this has changed over the last six years.
Yes! Yes!.. and these folks must do more than march, they need to put up, fund and elect our candidates one layer of government at a time. Remember how one Prosecutor in Texas wiped out Tom Delay. We can't do that, with fake charges, but Real Prosecutors and real charges are available on all levels already. The President is invulnerable but many around him are hip deep in it and need to be held accountable to the law.
State and Federal Prosecutors will act when they know they are supported and they are doing the right thing. One piece at a time. We are already seeing this. Major Cook, took a massive hit, but the reason the Army dumped him so fast was that a Federal Judge agreed to look at this square. He is not the last. With Obama's poll numbers sliding, and the program he is pushing being so obviously brain dead, in six months he may be begging for friends. Don't lose heart, America is great because of all of the levels of checks and balances, not just the few. They are not perfect, but enough if we do as you say, get serious and keep the pressure on.
This statement is more like the Jim Robinson I have come to admire and respect.
Thanks for taking the time to discuss this. It has been a joy.
If we are as successful in fighting against stampeding Marxism in the next ten years as we were fighting against creeping socialism in the last 80, I’m afraid all is lost. Maybe my proposal is not the answer, but I’m convinced it’s going to require something much greater than business as usual.
Treason? Is that what they're calling "petitioning for redress of greivances" these days?
Whatever happened to "Dissent is Patriotic"?
Good riddance, traitor. Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you. You will be forgotten.
You’re exactly right, my FRiend.
Some people (cowards) think Jefferson, Madison, Washington, et al, ARE traitors (against the statism they love).
What if we could get millions of "Community Organizers" across the country to spread the word. It would be sweet if we could Acorn type funding for it too. But no Acorn tactics. None of that signing up dead people, fake people or illegals (multiple times).
...ummm... you want to know some people, my FRiend... in order to line them up in your sights.
Be ready. The traitors will give you no quarter. Give them none.
Too bad there’s not enough time for all that.
Defintely the latter. It's just about time to get off the crazy train before it derails, I think.
Good bye to both of you. Enjoy communism and leave the attempts to save the country to others. You are useless.
With all due respect, it's not Jim I'm worried about. Read this thread. Jim would control this thing for all of 20 minutes until the mob took over. It's all here in black and white, threat after threat. Jim's intentions are obviously peaceful, but I can't say the same for many who've latched on to this.
Since you're talking about me (this is in reply to 373 which was in reply to 323), and your buddy Hotlead61 sent me the following in FReepmail:
If thats truly your plan, then do us all a favor & publish your home address so we can start a contest to see who can get you first, as a pre-emptive strike. BTW, Im serious.
Well, are you gonna post that address, or what?
You try picking off any Patriots, mister (or miss), and youll officially enter your worst nightmare.
There are FReepers who know where I live. I'm sure that one of you could probably glean that information and murder me as I go out the door to work one morning. Lacking any powers of precognition, there isn't much I can do about it, other than make my family aware of the danger, and pray that you sick bastards aren't so far gone that you'd murder my wife and children as well.
And Jim, now that you can see that at least one nutbar is willing to kill me BEFORE anything comes to blows, do you still think everyone's intentions are peaceful?
This is true and necessary in a republic but the contrary actions must always go towards upholding the Constitution.
What we have now is deliberate actions to "go around" the Constitution.
I should have known that you weren’t man enough to handle this man-to-man. So you’ve made your choice to go for the “Nuclear Option” b y going public.
Keep in mind that I first addressed you by FreepMail.
Now I have no choice but to go public in resisting your shameless outburst to JimRob & the Moderators. Shame be upon you.
Just remember also, that you are the one who started all this BS by saying you would “pick off” rebels.
YOU DREW FIRST BLOOD!!!
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