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ATF to Tennessee: We're Above Your Law
Examiner.com ^ | 07/17/09 | David Codrea

Posted on 07/17/2009 5:55:50 PM PDT by Copernicus

The ATF - as expected - has issued a letter in which it disregards the 10th Amendment restrictions on federal power (as seems to be the trend since the late 1930) and has notified Tennessee’s federal firearms dealers that the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act is meaningless. Essentially, ATF is saying to the state of Tennessee that the 10th Amendment no longer exists.

We expected such from a tyranny that no longer lives within the bounds of its express authority…

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 10th; 10thamendment; agenda; banglist; batfe; bho44; bootthebatfe; ccw; codrea; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; donttreadonme; firearmsfreedomact; jbt; lping; policestate; rapeofliberty; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed; statesrights; tennessee; tyranny
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To: Jacquerie

Thanks for the help. Open season. Yes.


141 posted on 07/18/2009 2:43:29 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: DariusBane
Yes. Our Constitution was an achievement unprecedented in human history. I believe as our Founders did that the convention of 1787 was “influenced, guided and governed” by the hand of God.

They also noted that it is for a moral people.

Since we are no longer a moral people, it is now a mere piece of paper and will not protect us from the statists.

142 posted on 07/18/2009 2:49:37 PM PDT by Jacquerie ("I would rather be in jail in America than free anywhere else." Eldridge Cleaver)
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To: Copernicus; ForGod'sSake

The story of an election in Athens, Tennessee in 1946 is also instructive.


143 posted on 07/18/2009 2:58:21 PM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: Jacquerie

a piece of paper won’t protect us from decdades of government schools. No the United States does not exist for the lover of liberty, or the lover of freedom. Tyrants live here in the form of public servants who started going to government schools from the time they were breached. They thrived in these highly controlled, risk adverse incubators of conformity. Everything was predictable. The schedule, the bells, the food. The worksheets were predictable as they followed sequentially, point by point the textbooks. The tests were predictable, as they followed the outlines provided by the worksheets. So they learned in a highly controlled, risk adverse, predictable world to loath individualism and freedom. They grew up, did higher education, more of the same, and got into government, or just became voters. As voters they want a risk adverse, highly predictable environment where outcomes are predetermined and safety is guaranteed. As politicians or as bureaucrats, they want the same thing. So we live in a highly controlled, risk adverse, predictable world. That’s how your neighbors want it, and they will use other people to shoot you, mace you, stun you haul you off to jail in order to preserve their little illusion.


144 posted on 07/18/2009 3:04:55 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: LomanBill
People, and those collective Frankensteins vested with personhood - aka Corporations.

Corporations only have those rights, or more properly immunities, allowed by the law in the state in which they are incorporated, by federal law, or in some cases state law in other states.

Corporations reduce individual risk, and unfortunately responsibility, and thus encourage risk taking. That's mostly a positive.

They predate the formation of the United States. IIRC the first ones were formed in Holland, which allowed them to gain a march on other countries, until the other countries followed suite. So in a way, the existance of corporations are responsible for many place mans in New York City, formerly New Amsterdam, and even up the Hudson River a bit.

145 posted on 07/18/2009 3:12:47 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Future Snake Eater

It may still be 10-15 years away (though I doubt that),
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Sometimes I think it may only be 15 minutes away.


146 posted on 07/18/2009 3:35:34 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: El Gato

>>Corporations only have those rights,
>>or more properly immunities, allowed by the law

IOW, the rights of corporate collectives are a legal fiction; whereas the self-evident rights observed by the American founders are presumed to be a product of Natural Law.


147 posted on 07/18/2009 4:02:01 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Copernicus
The direction that this country has taken began with Lincoln, but that is not the main issue. Regardless of whom started it, we are reaping the consequences. States have no rights except what the federal government and the Supreme Court says that they have. The Constitution has evolved from a republican constitution to a national constitution. People don't like to hear this, but America does not exist, not if you understand America from an ideological perspective. The principles of the Founding fathers no longer pertain to the United States of America.
148 posted on 07/18/2009 4:02:54 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

Amen and Amen...and regretfully I don’t think there’s a damn thing we can do about it...


149 posted on 07/18/2009 4:07:58 PM PDT by BamaBlue
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To: eyeamok

Sadly they can’t be tried for treason as the definition of that particular crime is spelled out in the constitution . However that does not mean that the offending federal agents can’t be arrested/prosecuted for other crimes such as conspiracy to violate the rights of a citizen under color of law,false arrest ,false improsonment ,etc.


150 posted on 07/18/2009 4:23:20 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Nosterrex

Es la verdad!

Truth!

Veritus!


151 posted on 07/18/2009 4:32:00 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Copernicus

People forget State’s Rights effectively ended when Woodrow Wilson rammed through the direct election of Senators.

Best regards to all,

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Actually, States Rights essentially ended when Washington prosecuted a war against the Southern States under the leadership of a fellow named Lincoln. Ironic, isn’t it, that a war fought on the PRETEXT of ending SLAVERY, actually ended FREEDOM and enslaved us ALL, if not in the immediate sense, it has certainly eventuated this reality in our day...


152 posted on 07/18/2009 6:22:39 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: mkcc30
Many of the relatives of my ancestors went west and settled in Missouri. You'll find us Tennesseans to be very hospitable folk, so if it hits the fan, we'll put you up.
153 posted on 07/18/2009 6:28:09 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Don't tread on me if ye are not prepared to meet thy Maker.)
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To: El Gato; Jim Noble
“Yes, of course. I was reacting to the Tenth Amendment cites, because most X quoters ignore Article VI.”

Our Federal Constitution is a Compact—Being such it must be binding on both or not at all

By the State’s ratification of the Constitution, the powers of the Federal Government were limited to a narrow range of issues. The Federal Government was never intended to be a force for collectivism. The Constitution was intended to promote a set of guidelines by which the several states would be enhanced, not restricted. Union and non-Union states alike were to be treated equally while maintaining their sovereignty. The intended outcome was to be a peaceful and harmonious coexistence.

The State government will have the advantage of the Federal government, whether we compare them in respect to the immediate dependence of the one on the other; to the weight of personal influence which each side will possess; to the powers respectively vested in them. . . . (Federalist Paper Number 45)

154 posted on 07/18/2009 6:42:56 PM PDT by Idabilly
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To: Markos33

My maternal Grandpa was from Tennessee originally and migrated to NE AR not to far from Memphis. and I still have an Aunt (his Daughter) that lives near Franklin last i heard and some other distant kin living all around that great state.
Thanks for the invite and if need be I will look you up.


155 posted on 07/18/2009 6:56:33 PM PDT by mkcc30 (Their lying tongues will become their nooses.)
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To: patriot preacher
“Actually, States Rights essentially ended when Washington prosecuted a war against the Southern States under the leadership of a fellow named Lincoln. Ironic, isn’t it, that a war fought on the PRETEXT of ending SLAVERY, actually ended FREEDOM and enslaved us ALL, if not in the immediate sense, it has certainly eventuated this reality in our day...”

Yep

They closed down the Southern Plantation and opened the Federal Plantation!

It would be interesting to study all the negatives brought on by the 14th Amendment—Besides Rowe v Wade and anchor baby's?I refuse "political status" as in being a "citizen" because I'm Sovereign!

156 posted on 07/18/2009 7:04:18 PM PDT by Idabilly
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To: eyedigress
(I had a Tennessee hat on)

Wouldn't hold it against you - til football season. ;^)

157 posted on 07/18/2009 7:18:12 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST. Have I missed anything?)
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To: Raven6

I guess just about as far back as I can remember it’s been one riot-one ranger. Hard bunch they were. STILL a formidable bunch.


158 posted on 07/18/2009 7:28:57 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST. Have I missed anything?)
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To: LomanBill
IOW, the rights of corporate collectives are a legal fiction;

I would say rather that they aren't "rights" but rather "privileges". However, it's quite likely that without corporations, and the limitation on risk they provide, there would be no United States. Instead there would be a sparsely settled land occupied by Cherokees, Iroquois, Apaches, Lakota, Navajo, Crow, Cherokee, etc, etc, all constantly at one another's throats (Although it's possible that something better could have come out of the Iroquois Confederacy).

The founders knew of corporations, since they were in existence by the time of the American Revolution, in fact long before. The Mayflower expedition/colony was financed by a joint stock company, known as the Merchant Adventurers. The West India Company, of the Netherlands, at one time owned all of the New Netherlands, but it was too big a bite for even them to chew. So they sold parts of it off to smaller groups and even individuals.

The problem is the power that the corporations, and wealthy individuals, have in influencing the government. But in that regard they haven't been doing well of late, while other groups, like the AFL-CIO, the NEA, and even Friends of the Earth, have done much better.

159 posted on 07/18/2009 7:34:50 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Carry_Okie

Well done. That’s a keeper. From what little I’ve read concerning Patrick Henry’s misgivings, it seems he was thinking along similar lines in the sense that at least some of the other “Founders” seemed inclined toward a more potent general government. He may have been right about that, and we can at least thank him for our Bill of Rights. They had served us well for the better part of two centuries, thwarting many an attempt along the way. However, tyrants will always find a way. Death by a thousand cuts if necessary.


160 posted on 07/18/2009 7:42:26 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST. Have I missed anything?)
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