Posted on 07/09/2009 6:03:13 AM PDT by IbJensen
ANAHEIM, CA - Episcopal Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori says it's "heresy" to believe that an individual can be saved through a sinner's prayer of repentance.
In her opening address to the church's General Conference in California, Jefferts Schori called that "the great Western heresy: that we can be saved as individuals, that any of us alone can be in right relationship with God."
The presiding bishop said that view is "caricatured in some quarters by insisting that salvation depends on reciting a specific verbal formula about Jesus."
According to Schori, it is heresy to believe that an individual's prayer can achieve a saving relationship with God. "That individualist focus is a form of idolatry, for it puts me and my words in the place that only God can occupy."
” that’s kind of like saying the the earth unnaturally revolves around the sun... :-)”
I see you have been reading Gore again. I understand his next project is to dispute Capernicus’ heliocentric theory. He thinks there might be some money to be made there; probably out of Stimulus II.
:-)
“Sounds a lot like the new Dean of the Harvard Divinity School (which is essentially an Episcopalian entity) publicly declaring that abortion is “a blessing””
An Episcopal priest, the Rev. Canon J. Edwin Bacon Jr. from Southern California, said on Oprah that “being gay is a gift from God.” Even Oprah was stunned.
The Anglicans are generally not as wacked out as the Spong-fed "god is dead" Episcopalians.
Too bad the pope can’t tell her to shut up.
Way over the top.
Satan has been driving that particular train for quite a while...
Individual redemption or salvation a strictly Western concept?? Then how come it is a shared concept of all the "Eastern" religions of which I am aware, Daoist, Buddhist and Hindu. Meditation is hardly an exercise if collective group think. The woman is an idiot anyhow.
Maybe its just me but I'm pretty sure "shut the f$#&k up" and "godly character don't belong in the same sentence.
Besides, aren't you shooting the messenger (one removed in this case).
Maybe its just me but I'm pretty sure "shut the f$#&k up" and "godly character" don't belong in the same sentence.
Besides, aren't you shooting the messenger (once removed in this case).
It is actually possible for someone to be right on one issue and wrong on another. In which case, they need to be commended for the one and educated on the second.
Personally, I think we should be praising God with heart, soul and mind, but I take you point.
Right, comes from the heart first.
Lots of items and canonical books written at the time didn't make it into the Bible...there are some in the apocrypha you've probably never heard about either.
Katharine Jefferts Schori says it's "heresy" to believe that an individual can be saved through a sinner's prayer of repentance... called that "the great Western heresy: that we can be saved as individuals, that any of us alone can be in right relationship with God." The presiding bishop said that view is "caricatured in some quarters by insisting that salvation depends on reciting a specific verbal formula about Jesus." According to Schori, it is heresy to believe that an individual's prayer can achieve a saving relationship with God. "That individualist focus is a form of idolatry, for it puts me and my words in the place that only God can occupy."
Judging from Adam's reaction, he knew right away that Eve was a part of him. That, in fact, was why God made Eve from Adam, so they would be compatible and attracted to each other. One of the sillier Hebrew traditions explained that by claiming that originally God created the first woman from the ground, the way he did with Adam. Her name was Lilith, and she was even more beautiful than Eve. But she did not want to be dominated by man, so she ran away. Adam complained to God that the wife He had given him had deserted him, so God sent three angels to bring her back. They found Lilith in the Red Sea, and they warned her that if she did not return, a hundred of her demon children would die every day. But Lilith preferred this punishment to living with Adam. Therefore, God decided to avoid repeating His "mistake" by creating the second woman from the body of the first man, for "only when like is joined unto like the union is indissoluble." The legend ends by stating that many demons descended from Lilith still lurk in the world today (it doesn't say how she got the children, though).
Looks like they picked up the Lilith story in Babylonian exile?
“Episcopal Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori says it’s “heresy” to believe that an individual can be saved through a sinner’s prayer of repentance.”
Don’t the Scriptures teach.....”And he brought them out and said, ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ So they said, ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:30-31)
I can’t find any place in the Holy Scriptures where it teaches a principle that one is saved by reciting a “sinners” prayer.
What concerns me more then Schori’s denouncement, is the fact that she is serving in the office of bishop, which is clear from Scripture, an office only reserved for men. That’s the first problem.
Arminianism will ultimately lead to Universalism and chaos.
Have thankful hearts. I remain teachable.
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