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Alcee Hastings’ Amendment Prevents ‘Hate Groups’ in Armed Services, But Who Determines ‘Hate’?
Stop the ACLU ^ | 8 Jul 09 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 07/08/2009 9:33:17 AM PDT by Jay777

Representative Alcee Hastings (D, Fla.) is touting his amendment to H.R.2647, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010. Section 524 stipulates a “prohibition on recruitment, enlistment, or retention of persons associated or affiliated with groups or associated with hate-related violence against groups or persons of the United States government.”

As Hastings congratulates himself on a job well done — you know, cuz no one else will — one has to wonder exactly who it is that will determine what a “hate” group is in order to keep the armed forces free of “hate-related violence”? It turns out Hastings has given this power to the office of the Attorney General of the United States. That would be Eric Holder, the guy that wants to release Guantanamo terrorists into the interior of the country.

It is also a bit frightening to imagine that the government that issued that now infamous report calling anyone that votes Republican and has an appreciation for the Constitution a dangerous terrorist threat is being also given the power to determine who is and who isn’t a member of a “hate” group. There is something perversely ironic about giving the government that determined that our military veterans are prone to terrorist activities and the lure of extremist, hate groups the power to keep haters from joining the military.

Hastings admits that the armed forces already have numerous regulations governing what sort of recruit is allowed to enter service. So, why do we need this further law?

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1 posted on 07/08/2009 9:33:17 AM PDT by Jay777
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By Hastings’ definition, the Catholic Church is a hate group, as is any person who is a conservative. If you are against gay marriage or anti-abortion (and thus “anti-woman), you are a hater.


2 posted on 07/08/2009 9:35:29 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (If global warming didn't exist, Al Gore would have had to invent it.)
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To: Jay777

“...But Who Determines ‘Hate’?”

Those who are in power.


3 posted on 07/08/2009 9:36:05 AM PDT by cranked
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So the Commander in Cheif was affiliated with Weather Underground so I guess this won’t apply, huh?

I assume the Black Panthers don’t appy either.


4 posted on 07/08/2009 9:36:46 AM PDT by envisio (Sexual Beer & BBQ Ribs)
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To: cranked

That’s just how the left likes it -

concentrated, ARBITRARY power.


5 posted on 07/08/2009 9:37:41 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Jay777
“...But Who Determines ‘Hate’?”

Why, the thought police, of course.

6 posted on 07/08/2009 9:37:53 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obama has entered the "cracking stage" of his presidency. ~ Gagdad)
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To: Jay777

Just wondering:
What if somebody formed a non-discriminatory hate group,
one that hated everyone and everything without regard to race, religion, etc?


7 posted on 07/08/2009 9:39:39 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: Jay777

Hastings is an effing lowlife - he was booted off the bench by the Judicial Qualifications Committee in Florida.


8 posted on 07/08/2009 9:42:34 AM PDT by GOPJ
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Here’s one way to rid ourselves of errant politicians who HATE the military - - VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE! What a concept!


9 posted on 07/08/2009 9:45:08 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: SERKIT

I HATE ALCEE HASTINGS.


10 posted on 07/08/2009 9:47:51 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Jay777

Who determines “Hate”?

The Hate Czar, of course.


11 posted on 07/08/2009 9:48:10 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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prohibition on recruitment, enlistment, or retention of persons associated or affiliated with groups

Did Hastings write this himself? I just quoted part of the line to illustrate my point, but if you read the language they cited, as it's punctuated, it bans recruiting anyone associated with a group.

Coming soon to your neighborhood, the loners army.

12 posted on 07/08/2009 9:49:26 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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Well the DHS affiliates returning vets with hate groups. Vets affiliate with current military. Guess by this bill the entire military is disbanded because of affiliation with hate groups.


13 posted on 07/08/2009 9:53:54 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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He’s banning Muslims?!?


14 posted on 07/08/2009 9:56:15 AM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Jay777

The “Post Turtle” will decide.


15 posted on 07/08/2009 9:59:35 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: envisio

Also Congressional Black Caucus and those with PDS.


16 posted on 07/08/2009 10:01:12 AM PDT by GOYAKLA
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Just as Obama claims America needs a “civilian security” force (Obama Brownshirts), the Socialist democrats want to begin making our armed forces more heavily populated with “their people”.


17 posted on 07/08/2009 10:05:06 AM PDT by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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Who determines hate?

Janet Napolitano, of course. She has it documented in the Homeland Security Report.


18 posted on 07/08/2009 10:06:15 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: AbeKrieger

Google “Knights of Columbus Hate Group”. Come and try to get me.


19 posted on 07/08/2009 10:06:42 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Jay777

I hate evil libtard-fascism and lies....


20 posted on 07/08/2009 10:08:22 AM PDT by Ulysse
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