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Secession talk just getting started (Texas)
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 29, 2009 | PEGGY FIKAC

Posted on 06/29/2009 4:28:40 AM PDT by cbkaty

Still, even his explanations tend to end with a question mark, like this one earlier this year: “I see absolutely no reason for Texas to leave. But if Washington continues to disregard the states and continues to try to force states to change the way that they govern, who knows what may happen?”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; cwii; donttreadonme; liberty; secession; statesrights; texas
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To: wolfcreek
BTW: If your boss was a real Texan, he wouldn’t have left.

He is...and he didn't. The joys of working in a virtual team. He's in the Dallas area most of the time and comes up here a couple of days a month to bother us.

141 posted on 06/29/2009 12:09:56 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: wolfcreek
IIRC, the 8 or 9 largest economy in the world...I think we’ll get by.

I have no doubt that you will. While South Carolina was described as "Too small to be a country, to large to be an insane asylum" in 1860 the same cannot be said of Texas. You'll do fine, and settling the debt and obligations issues won't change that. I just want a settlement that is fair and equitable to both sides arrived at before you leave.

142 posted on 06/29/2009 12:13:14 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: snoringbear
We (fellow Texian)missed the window of opportunity on this about twenty years ago. There's too many snow birds here now.

Snow birds don't run this state .... God help us the day they think they do.

143 posted on 06/29/2009 12:13:51 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Out of gas become a pill box, Out of ammo become a bunker, Out of hope become a hero.)
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To: Redbob
You like that idea of laying all the blame for the idiocies of the LBJ administration at the feet of current Texans? You choose that screen name, or was it assigned to you?

Not at all. Both Bush's did their part as well.

144 posted on 06/29/2009 12:14:03 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: MrB

“Y’all” is the plural of “you.” It’s a contraction of “you all.” Do not EVER use “y’all” when referring to one person. You will be laughed out of town.

“All y’all” is not anything.


145 posted on 06/29/2009 12:15:23 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Based on population percentage Texas’ share of the federal debt is about $900 billion.

Screw that ... just think of it as the nice state level version of a charge off and telling the fed to pi$$ off.

146 posted on 06/29/2009 12:16:02 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Out of gas become a pill box, Out of ammo become a bunker, Out of hope become a hero.)
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To: nanetteclaret

I was given that definition by a South Carolinan.
Are you saying the Texas dialect is different?


147 posted on 06/29/2009 12:17:23 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Redbob
Our military would do quite nicely if staffed only with Texans currently in the military. Keep in mind we wouldn't find it necessary to post Texans in for example Kosovo.

No surprise there. I'm assuming that you're sane enough that membership in NATO or the UN wouldn't be high on your list of priorities.

And as for a diplomatic corps? Big savings opportunity by not having anything to do with the UN! We could make Rep. Sam Johnson our Secretary of State.

OK, that's one. Texas is part of a global economy and trades with dozens of countries. I'm assuming you'll be setting up embassies in them?

148 posted on 06/29/2009 12:17:25 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Tahoe3002
I remain a US Marine, but my blood is Texas RED.

Semper Fi and Remember Goliad.

149 posted on 06/29/2009 12:17:29 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Out of gas become a pill box, Out of ammo become a bunker, Out of hope become a hero.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I'd say that Texas would be entitled to all the equipment assigned to it's National Guard and Air Guard, but all that stuff in Fort Hood and Fort Bliss and such? It isn't your's.

Possession is 9/10ths .... then there's Pantex.

150 posted on 06/29/2009 12:19:12 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Out of gas become a pill box, Out of ammo become a bunker, Out of hope become a hero.)
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To: Centurion2000

Seems someone’s crying that the people of certain states might get out from under the thumb of the socialist federal government.

Screw ‘em. No reason to give up ANY assets, nor agree to pay “your share” of the debt. The bastids are going to find a reason to use force to keep the seceeding states under their control anyway. Might as well not give away the store and THEN have it robbed.


151 posted on 06/29/2009 12:25:26 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I just put my Bonnie Blue under my brand new Texas Flag. The old one was getting tattered, and I needed a larger one anyway.


152 posted on 06/29/2009 12:25:50 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: HotLead61
What’ll you do to stop the “screwing”?

If Texas were to leave and refuse to take its share of the national debt with it, you would quickly find that you would have a tough time dealing with international financial markets. Bankers don't like welchers.

Your share of the national debt is about $900 billion- accepting that would certainly be one of the nonnegotiable conditions of secession. Similarly, the only military equipment you get to keep is what's in the hands of the Texas NG.

Compared to a lot of States, Texas would probably do fine as an independent nation. But Texas wouldn't just get to walk away from its share of US obligations.

153 posted on 06/29/2009 12:27:12 PM PDT by Blackacre
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To: MrB

Well, I’ve never heard it and it frankly doesn’t make sense. “All y’all” is like a double plural - it just isn’t necessary. I think that South Carolinian was pullin’ your leg!


154 posted on 06/29/2009 12:33:19 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Blackacre

You are apparently assuming that the “status quo” would be otherwise preserved. Well, it ain’t gonna be status quo at all. In fact, it’s gonna be utter chaos nationwide (& worldwide). When survival is the name of the game, world financial markets pale in comparison.

Real wealth is found in the ingenuity of free-thinking people, not in governments. The “national debt” is made out of play-money anyway, so-to-speak.


155 posted on 06/29/2009 12:33:29 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: nanetteclaret

State-by-state & region-by-region dialects can vary by quite a lot. You could both be right.


156 posted on 06/29/2009 12:34:37 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: Non-Sequitur

There’s already a Republic of Texas Embassy in London. We’ll just have to buy it back from the Texan who runs a restaurant there now.


157 posted on 06/29/2009 12:34:51 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret

I’ll defer to your knowledge on the subject, as I may be immigrating to your fair state if things keep going as they are going.


158 posted on 06/29/2009 12:37:34 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: HotLead61
You are apparently assuming that the “status quo” would be otherwise preserved. Well, it ain’t gonna be status quo at all. In fact, it’s gonna be utter chaos nationwide (& worldwide). When survival is the name of the game, world financial markets pale in comparison.

Are we talking about some sort of chaotic collapse of the US or a peaceful negotiation between a seceding Texas and the US? If the former, then all bets are off. But if we're talking peaceful secession, then assets of the US government, such as military hardware, would have to be returned to the US- seizing such equipment would most likely be an act of war. Similarly, any peaceful resolution would involve Texans taking their share of the debt, if they ever wanted to be treated seriously by other countries (or ever again trade with the US). Texas has received the benefits, such as they are, of Federal spending, just like anyone elese, and Texan politicians are just as responsible for the debt as the rest of Congress. You don't get to just walk away from an obligation like that and screw the remaining 49 states.

159 posted on 06/29/2009 12:40:26 PM PDT by Blackacre
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To: boxlunch
She is like the epitome of the country club Republican in my view.

She's from Dallas...that's almost NYC...to many Texans...

160 posted on 06/29/2009 12:46:54 PM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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