Posted on 06/27/2009 7:41:27 AM PDT by quesney
While reading the following news story:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/motoringAutoNews/idUKTRE5406CF20090501
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I was reminded two very important quotes from John Adams about the American Revolution:
* As to the history of the revolution, my ideas may be peculiar, perhaps singular. What do we mean by the Revolution? The war? That was no part of the revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected from 1760 - 1775, in the course of fifteen years, before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington. o Letter to Thomas Jefferson (1815-08-24), The Works of John Adams
What do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations... This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. * Letter to H. Niles (1818-02-13)
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In other words, years before the American Revolution, there had been a revolution in people's minds about the way things were and the way things should be.
Forget the disputes over just how real are Obama's high poll numbers. This is beyond Obama, or even his current followers.
Whether we realize it or not, the US went through another mental revolution of thought over the past few decades -- maybe beginning as far back as the anti-war protests of the 1960s, maybe to Roosevelt's New Deal, maybe to Lincoln forcing a more centralized Union...whatever.
This revolution of thought has slowly eroded the entire mental foundation of the country's founding principles.
The U.S., as it was and as many of us here still think of it, is already gone. Dead. A number of us have not fully caught up to this emerging reality.
Obama, and Bush before him, are only making that obvious. Steele, Arlen Spectre, the feckless GOP, all the rest -- it's all part of bigger picture already drawn and entrenched, maybe even before many of us were born.
Many of us are holding onto a mental artifact that is gone or never existed in the minds of our "fellow Americans." That remains true no matter what happens to Obama, long after he's gone.
Does that mean we give up? No. But that if you're making a personal decision not to give up, you have to start thinking more seriously about follow-up to those Tea Parties and perhaps to secession.
The U.S. is, beyond everything else, an idea. When our "fellow Americans" no longer share the basic elements of that idea -- of even basic standards of mutual respect, logic, reason, civil discourse, respect for others as equals -- our "fellow Americans" are no longer our "fellow Americans."
Plan accordingly.
To be gutless and not fight, they caused the death of a lot of people in the 20th century and probably killed their share.
One wonders how many states would change 'color' if the 17th Amendment were repealed...
The other 49 wouldn't turn against Texas. Many would, but many wouldn't. State by stae, it would probably be pretty close to a 50/50 split. Texas secession would be the first crack in the union, but certainly not the last.
That's why if this idea ever starts to seriously materialize, the federal government will move to put it down with extreme force. Organizers will be executed for sedition, supporters will be imprisoned. It would be all-out war.
The idea of a peaceful secession is a pipe dream. If you want Texas back, you're going to have to take it back from the biggest superpower on earth.
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BS. Until conservatives start to take heart and understand why the US was a people, no progress will be made in preserving the union.
What is the % of eligible voters who actually VOTE?
In 2010, just get two friends or acquaintances who normally don't vote. Get them to the polls with one idea in mind:
"Vote for the new guy, not the incumbent."
If we do that, we have replaced the Entire House of Representatives and 1/3 of the Senate -- which means, since they are controlled by Dems, we have regained the House for the GOP and put the fear of God in the Senate.
No muss, no fuss, no revolution.
Cheers!
Which of her books is that from?
Cheers!
Damn right it's coming.
I’ve been saying the same thing for the better part of 4or 5 years now. If there were a leader that could galvanize and articulate the vision of a DIFFERENT path, he would have followers by the tens/hundreds of thousands. One man marching to go eye to eye with the beast and say, “NO MORE” would be devoured. But one man who could articulate WHY we say NO MORE and also willing to march would find his back covered by scores of like-minded patriots.
“Except that’s the flag the democrats who believed in slavery fought under.”
Thats the flag that is going up on my new flag pole on July 6, 2009. (My Birthday) And it’s also the flag that my Great Grandfather fought under from 1861-1865. (Spaight’s Bn., 11th Texas Infantry, C.S.A.)
And it ain’t comin’ down.
And for your information, in order for you to restore the American government you must first fight against it. What we have now is not the traditional American government. It has morphed into a Frankenstein monster of a government.
Furthermore, for my friends and family, if worst comes to worst, that will be the flag we fight under along with our own Texas flag.
I dont think peacefully is doable at this late date...but the old 'escape from NY' scenario could be a solution...
of course that would require building fences and using the cattle cars on the commietards before they do so on us...
our “fellow Americans” are no longer our “fellow Americans.”
I would say our fellow Americans, might be closer to our mortal enemy.””
Agree with both. I have posted the “time for a divorce” decree several times, since, I have nothing in common with liberals/progressives or whatever you want to label these humanoids lacking a sense of right and wrong. A peaceful separation is in order, and if not, maybe one not so peaceful is an option too.
I agree totally. I have warned others but it seem to fall on deaf ears.
I will become active when others finally wake up and take action. I am not going to take action on my own for the simple reason that 99.99% of those that are out there will watch to see what happens to me and then “maybe” they might get involved.
I don’t live in the USA as most people know it.
I live in Alaska.
When the president of the US signs into effect “Executive Orders” he is usurping the Constitution. How many “Executive Orders” has Obama signed so far? How many did Bill Clinton Sign? Even George Bush signed some.
I know the quote you speak of. I think of it often, when looking at our present circumstances.
We must mount an effective resistance to the madness in Washington, even before the 2010 mid-term elections. If we falter, we will run smack into Sir Winston's calculus.
I need to read on in the thread from the point where this exchange began. I’ve missed the subsequent commentary.
Thanks for alerting me to the rally of the troops.
Thank you, Wolf. I’m just ringing that old freedom bell.
I'm sorry. It sounds like you said, "Stop putting that mirror up to my face! It burns!"
I’d like to see the military rise up against the government and I’d be more then willing to support them like I do now. We took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies both foreign and domestic.\\\
the military is part of the government
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