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Two Dems defect to GOP in NYS.
NYTimes ^ | June 8 2009 | Peters and Hakim

Posted on 06/08/2009 1:29:17 PM PDT by eleni121

Updated, 4:15 p.m. | ALBANY – Democrats appeared to have lost their majority in the New York State Senate on Monday, in a stunning and sudden reversal of fortunes for a party that has controlled the chamber for barely five months.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: albany; gop; ny; ny2009; nygop; nystatesenate
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; All

The secreatary of the State Senate (A Dem appointee) is refusing to unlock the door to the Senate chamber so Skelos can run a meeting.

What a bunch of Bolsheviks.

The website is controlled by the Bolsheviks too.

http://www.nysenate.gov/


181 posted on 06/09/2009 1:20:32 PM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Clemenza; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

The GOP has held several NYC seats and almost all of them on LI I think.

The loss of many of those resulted in rats taking over the chamber. A few cycles ago they had a large majority.

In the Assembly outside of Staten Island I don’t think there have been any Republicans recently though.

Republicans have been able to draw the Senate lines but still those city seats the GOP have held should lean rat. I guess it was just the popularity of incumbents that enabled them to hold on.

There are now only 3 GOP Senators in the city. One in Queens (almost lost), one in Brooklyn (a gain in 2002) and one in SI.

A second SI seat has long been rat held.

It’s hilarious how the media is screaming COUP COUP, especially the NY Daily News (it seems they are worse than the Times!? Who knew). Contrast with the media response to the situation in Tennessee which castigated Republicans as crybabies.

I hope NY Republican are able to gain back some seats to really take back control. One upstate seat was lost for the first time in over a century in 2006.


182 posted on 06/09/2009 4:03:18 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: BillyBoy

The conservative party is a flat out joke. They endorse non-conservative rats sometimes in Staten Island and upstate, and Republicans who aren’t that conservative. They would have endorsed Rudy for Senate in 2000 if he disavowed partial-birth abortion. They are a patronage operation for the party chairman.


183 posted on 06/09/2009 4:18:15 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: eleni121
Two downstate state senators defect to GOP.

Since when has a Dem ever defected to the other side other than to preserve his re-election chances?

And once re-elected, its back to the same-o same-o.....

184 posted on 06/09/2009 4:30:40 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This country isn't going to hell in a handbasket, it's riding shotgun in an Indy car....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Ever read the history of the blue dogs? ... Many Southern Republicans came to be from this movement.


185 posted on 06/09/2009 4:32:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Ever read the history of the blue dogs? ...

Yes I have. Ever read the history of a guy named Arlen Specter?

I could care less about NY, I don't live there. If you want to put your faith into a party jumping Dem then be my guest...........Cheers for you and the Republican party! Yey, Yey, Yey......!

186 posted on 06/09/2009 4:39:51 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This country isn't going to hell in a handbasket, it's riding shotgun in an Indy car....)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
If you think that there is no difference between Obama’s policies of destruction, and the policies of most GOP Governors or past Republican presidents, you have a very serious problem.
______________________________________

We must understand this basic fact! If we attack each other the Democrats win. That is a fact! I want pols that are conservative on the big issues. Taxes, defense, smaller government. I can handle them being a little squishy on social questions.

187 posted on 06/09/2009 5:30:19 PM PDT by Plumres
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To: eleni121
Two Dems defect to GOP in NYS.

Sarah was here!

188 posted on 06/09/2009 7:16:00 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: myself6
I've been interested in politics since my dad took me to a GOP meeting when I was 8 years old.  I can smell a true conservative from a mile away. You sir, are anything but a conservative. Your previous post -the one I responded to- is compelling proof of that.

The issue isn't whether you preferred McClintock to Schwarzenegger.  The issue isn't whether you were right then, or more right than wrong.  Politics in the real world means evaluating the political landscape with clarity, and putting the better candidate forth who can win and advance the conservative agenda.  Sometimes the candidates will succeed and advance the conservative agenda on some fronts, and other times they will fail.  The idea is to get MORE conservative candidates than less conservative candidates.  Taking a posture where the perfect is the enemy of the good divorces one from being effective in the political process.

Your understanding of politics is immature, and its deficiency is made clear by your reliance on a vulgar lexicon.  But most striking is that you lack the capacity to grasp the facts, as you totally have missed my point.  This is more evidence that indicates that you are the type to avoid and more importantly, to reject.

189 posted on 06/09/2009 7:19:09 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Fury
One thing I don’t like is the televised proceeding of the Senate being disrupted during this time. That’s the sort of stuff that happens in other countries...

Oh yeah sure.

How dare two Democrats, join with the 30 Senate Republicans in a motion that would displace Democrats as the party in control.

190 posted on 06/09/2009 7:22:58 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Plumres

Agreed!


191 posted on 06/09/2009 7:23:42 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Impy; BillyBoy

Skelos was my state Senator when I was a child. He is pro-life, OK on taxes (without ever proposing creative alternatives to NY’s confiscatory income tax), but is a whore to the teacher’s and public employee unions, and is not exactly a friend to gun owners (Lawn Guyland in general being very anti-gun).


192 posted on 06/10/2009 4:49:10 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

>>> “I’ve been interested in politics since my dad took me to a GOP meeting when I was 8 years old. I can smell a true conservative from a mile away. You sir, are anything but a conservative. Your previous post -the one I responded to- is compelling proof of that.”

Lol.. And what, if I may ask, does a “true” conservative smell like? Do different types of conservatives have a different smell? Do religious conservatives smell like grape? How about limited government type conservatives? do they smell like chocolate or perhaps like cantaloupe?

As for the rest of your post... it was just a lot of the same naive bleating ive heard from the GOP for years.

Let me clue you in on something... New York is lost, as is pretty much all of the upper north east. They will not, in our or our children’s life times be free states. The ideology of the majority of people in that region is no longer compatible with limited government. Grape and cantaloupe “conservatives” are wasting time, resources and effort there. That is the real world clarity of the “political” landscape as it pertains to New York.

In the end its all about managing limited resources, just as in a real shooting war, you have to pick your battles and make the best use of resources to get the biggest return on investment (lives, supplies and machinery). We cant fight this war indefinitely and its in our best interest to bring it to an end (in our favor) as quickly as possible. Distractions and false hope are dangerous to momentum and morale and anything that happens in New York can be classified as a distraction and or false hope.

Things you should cheer about...

“Angry malcontent limited government type conservatives” (I wonder what they smell like?) gaining control over a state like Texas and REALLY exercising the full extent of the 10th amendment to the constitution. Make THAT happen and I will cheer along with you. THAT should be the goal of every living grape and cantaloupe conservative. Its not gonna happen in New York though and only the extremely naive, bordering on mentally handicap, will even think its possible.

I completely understand your nostalgia for the “good ol days” when you were 8 hanging with your dad and the GOP, but this is now and in the NOW we have what can effectively be classified as Marxist revolutionaries running roughshod over the federal government and the state governments of a significant number of states. THAT is the clarity of the situation, so you’ll just need to excuse me if I am a little “rough” in my treatment of foolish people.


193 posted on 06/10/2009 6:13:58 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: Clemenza; BillyBoy

I see his been in his seat longer than I have been alive.

I just love those types. :-D


194 posted on 06/10/2009 3:00:31 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: myself6
Let me CLUE you in on something. My comments aren't limited to NY. When I talk about the political landscape I'm talking about the country as a whole, not just NY.  The world of politics includes a lot more than the events in New York State. And of course, presidential elections extend beyond NYS and are contested all over the country. You consistently are unable to rise above name calling and hurling pejoratives.  It's not naive to try to advance the conservative agenda wherever and whenever we can.  It's not some romance or nostalgia for a lost era of 20 years ago.  It's the situation on the ground here and now.

If you prefer to be negative and nihilistic about it, fine, that's your prerogative.  I say advance the conservative ball wherever and whenever we can.  I'll take a 10 yard gain over a 10 yard loss any day of the week.  Enough 10 yard gains and you score a touchdown.  Sitting in the stands complaining that we'll never win doesn't advance the cause.  The players on the field advance the cause.  So enjoy your negativity and name calling - it doesn't get you anywhere worth arriving.

And yes, conservatives smell good – those can't measure up, stink!

195 posted on 06/10/2009 7:16:48 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Impy
If you think that's scary, Senator Byrd has been a Senator longer than NINE (yes, nine) of his fellow Senators have been alive.

Robert C. Byrd (D-WV)
Assumed current office: January 3, 1959

Bob Casey, Jr. (D-PA)
Born April 13, 1960

Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Born May 25, 1960

Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)
Born September 30, 1960

John Thune (R-SD)
Born January 7, 1961

David Vitter (R-LA)
Born May 3, 1961

Mark Begich (D-AK)
Born March 31, 1962

Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Born January 10, 1963

Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Born November 28, 1964

Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Born December 9, 1966

Byrd had already been elected to his second six-year term in the Senate and unsuccessfully filibustered the 1964 civil rights act by the time Kirsten Gillibrand came out of her mother's womb. That's gotta be awkward “serving” along side the guy.

196 posted on 06/11/2009 8:35:27 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
Yeah, Byrd was already in Congress (the House) when my mother was born, and my dad was and infant.

He's just slightly younger than Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez.


197 posted on 06/11/2009 5:45:17 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

Newly uncovered archaeological evidence suggest that when the world's oldest legislative body, the Althing (national parliament of Iceland).was founded in 930 A.D. at Þingvellir, Robert Byrd attended the opening session. A Norwegian Parliament scroll recently translated into modern English states the following: "Then Robert, the White Robed figure, from the house of the Bird, took his solemn oath. He spoke of the tyranny of the King for defending our people against the scourge of the barbarians, saying they posed no threat to peace despite killing 300 of our fellow kinsman. Later he spoke out against the darker skinned men among us, saying they were beast people not worthy to enter this sacred chamber. And then, before all of us assembled, Robert napped"
198 posted on 06/11/2009 7:00:13 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy
LOL

He may be even older than that.


199 posted on 06/12/2009 9:33:47 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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