Posted on 06/07/2009 4:13:34 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
According to the Hawaii Star-Bulletin, the State of Hawaii, Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign web site a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."
Is Ms. Okubo trying to say that Hawaii no longer has a copy of Obama's original birth certificate on file? -- how convenient.
Is Ms. Okubo saying that the previous statement from Hawaii state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino is not true?
"Therefore, I, as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
Why does everyone in Hawaii have a different story?
Maybe Indiana Jones can find Obama's original birth certificate. After all, he found the Ark of the Covenant. COLB 6/7/09
I just ordered my youngest daughter’s birth certificates from San Bernardino County, CA, to use for a passport and certified copy was required.
Why is Hawaii difference?
So, Zero is spending a mil to prevent the release of a hard copy of a document that no longer exists? Ok....
If I remember correctly, in “Dreams from My Father” Barack Obama himself says he had an old box he took out from time to time and in it was his birth certificate and a picture of his father. He has the birth certificate. He just doesn’t want to show it because something on it is inconvenient.
...the future is always the same; it’s the past that changes.
W R O N G !
The Twentieth Amendment, Section 3 reads as follows:
" ”3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”
This passage CLEARLY says two things.
1. The "President elect has the burden of proving himself "eligible", in other words, meets "qualifications" to serve as President. This means his birth certificate has to include sufficient information to prove his age, 35, and his citizenship status at birth. If he claims to be a natural born citizen, this must be proven to be so by the evidence he is forced to present.
2. Since it is "the Congress" who must react to whether or not this has been done, in order to know whether or not to name a replacement, he, the President elect, must prove his qualifications to them (Congress). The Congress (all members) are oath bound to support the Constitution, so any one of them can demand to see this "evidence" at any time.
If he has not done this, he cannot be President and if he is allowed to continue to act as a President without having done so, our elected officials should be taken to court and charged with breaking their oath of office to the Constitution, or perhaps treason.
Actually, people did care. The question of Artie’s birth was pursued with determination.
But, Artie worked to avoid the questions.
Atrie worked hard to conceal the truth, he even had a fire at his home. Your comment is not true
It made a very poetic anecdote in his book..said he used it as a bookmark,right?
If so, It would be a dog eared well-worn momento close at hand, I’d think.
I don’t belive the story.I sincerely DOUBT he kept his KENYAN BC as a bookmark. And we all know he doesn’t even HAVE a U.S. one.
This was pre-calculated as a fence aginst this very controversy—they saw all this coming. The book, this whole elaborate marketing scheme to get him to where he is has been going on for years.
Sounds like shuck-n-jive to me...
Not legally, it isn’t. Canada is every bit as foreign as Kenya.
You are right. His political opponents cared, just as Obama’s do.
Then, as now, the question got little traction with the general public.
According to numerous lawsuits, the short form Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth has been legally issued to people who were not born in Hawaii.
According to at least one lawsuit, Obama’s half sister, who was born in Indonesia, was issued a short form Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth.
Bottom line - release the Long Form certificate, the one with the name of Obama’s birth hospital and attending physician, and the whole controversy will disappear.
Instead, Obama’s legal team blocks every effort to do that.
The only conclusion I can reach is that Obama is hiding something.
With all due respect, Ms. Watanabe, but what you’ve published above are falsehoods, and not falsehoods that you necessarily originated, because a lot of them came directly from Factcheck.
Here’s the 411 on Obama’s COLB:
After five months of research, I’ve already proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Obama’s Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is a nonexistent document, and what is posted online is a fabricated image.
It’s all there in my final 160-page, research report, called “Obama’s Born Conspiracy.”
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com
Obama’s COLB exists only in the virtual world of Photoshopped computer images, and you would not be able to prove your claims if you life depended on it. But, don’t take that personally because nobody else has.
What you are looking at is a fabricated image, made from other images of other people’s COLBs. It’s forged. It’s fake. It’s totally bogus. Hawaii never printed a COLB for Obama in June 2007.
Here’s where you went astray:
“The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.”
Sorry, but you absolutely can get a copy of a Certificate of Birth, or Hawaiian Certificate of Birth. In fact, you have to have the latter if you want to participate in Hawaii’s Home Lands program: a housing initiative for native Hawaiians.
All you have to do is to write DHHL on the same order form that is used to obtain Certifications of Live Birth, and a COLB WON’T be accepted!
Okubo says that birth certificates are “only available in electronic form...[as] the Health Department went paperless in 2001.”
Hello?
When you request a birth certificate, what you get is a PAPER DOCUMENT comprised of green security paper, a computer-generated certificate form containing birth information, ON THE FRONT SIDE ONLY, printed onto the security paper with a laser orinter, and ON THE REVERSE SIDE, is an embossed Seal stamp, date stamp, and a stamp of the Registrar’s signature block.
It’s been a year since this bogus COLB image was posted, but there’s still just that one, lousy scan image.
Okubo adds that “”The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests.”
Janice Okubo is correct: an electronic record is exactly what Hawaiian Health Department Director, Chiyome Fukino, said that Hawaii has “Obama’s original birth certificate On RECORD.”
Hawaii has never verified where he was born, when he was born, to whom he was born, or anything else on his original birth record. Not even his original, legal name.
When Obama was allegedly born, Hawaiian COLBs were given out to foreign born children up to one year after birth. So, even if there really was a COLB for Obama produced in June 2007 — and there is no such document in existence — then it still would not prove where he was born. to be President of the USA, you have to prove that you are a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN (NBC), and, therefore, the Certification of Live Birth CANNOT BE USED to prove NBC.
Finally, Factcheck is absolutely NOT “a nonpartisan, nonprofit ‘consumer advocate’ for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.”
FACTCHECK, funded by billionaire George Soros, IS A SHILL FOR OBAMA, and fully complicit in this phony birth certificate scam.
The bottom line is that Obama knows that image posted on the internet is fake and doesn’t contain his actual birth information. That’s why Obama and his staff refuse to answer any questions about his birth certificate, and refuse to produce any real paper document. That’s why they fabricated this bogus COLB image: to decieve the United States Government and its people in to believing that Obama was born in Hawaii. That deception got him into thw White House, and a lot of people are hoping that this same deception gets him out of there, too.
Did you get the short form or the long form? At one time, last I checked in fact. The State Department would not take California abstract/short form certificates. Apparently they sometimes show the wrong place of birth. For example see: This passport FAQ which states:
You must provide an ORIGINAL copy of your CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE (no photocopies). The California Certified Abstract of Birth and the Texas Certified Abstract of Birth are NOT ACCEPTED by the U.S. State Department. You may NOT submit a Hospital Birth Record
I'm sure if you told them you wanted it for a passport, they'll have given you the proper version.
However, Hawaii's abstract is acceptable, unless the date of birth and the date accepted by the registrar are a year or more apart. Then you need the long form, and that's true of the abstract from any state, that is otherwise acceptable. Those other states apparently get the critical information correct. Unless the original BC was fraudulent, with that year being an indicator that it might be. A certificate showing a home birth might also be an indicator. That information is not on the abstract, but it is on the original. Even the abstract must be a certified version, that is with raised seal and registrars stamped signature block.
A passport checklist on a pentagon website says:
* Did the applicant submit their original or certified copy of their birth certificate?
o Cannot be an Abstract Birth Certificate from California, Texas, or Georgia.
o Cannot be a notarized or photo copy.
o Cannot be a Hospital Birth Certificate or
Notification of Birth. (NOTE: Some Notifications of Birth are acceptable, refer to citizenship evidence above.
The main issue is that the CoLB image posted on the Daily KOS, Stop the Smears, Fact Check, etc, is very likely a forgery. A comletely "made up" image. IOW, photoshopped. If that is the case, there was a reason to forge it. What was that reason? What is being hidden?
And of course the BC is not the only thing being hidden. This guy has more stuff hidden than most of us have documentation. Routine stuff. High School records, college admission paperwork, grades from College, and so forth. We know George W. Bush's grades both Yale and Harvard, and even Al Gore's, as much as there were of them, but not The Transparent One's.
I don't buy into the forgery thesis.
According to Hawaiian law in 1961, Obama’s family could have obtained a small-form Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth even if Obama was born in another country.
If Obama could get one legally, why would he go to the trouble and risk of having one forged?
Doesn't make sense to me.
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm
Yes it matters, but more importantly is the parents status. Uder the laws in effect at Obama's birth, there is no way he could be considered a Natural Born Citizen. Citizen yes? Natural Born Citizen? no.
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