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Vatican: Obama seeks "common ground" on abortion
Associated Press ^ | May 18, 2009

Posted on 05/18/2009 1:48:22 PM PDT by Zakeet

The Vatican said Monday that President Barack Obama was clearly looking for some common ground with his speech at the University of Notre Dame about abortion.

The Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano said Obama's speech at the leading Catholic university on Sunday confirmed what he had said at a recent news conference — that signing the so-called Freedom of Choice Act in the U.S. Congress wasn't his highest legislative priority. The bill would protect a woman's right to have a child or end a pregnancy.

Obama's stance on the issue is that he supports abortion rights but says the procedure should be rare.

The article didn't mention the protest by dozens of U.S. Catholic bishops who denounced Notre Dame for honoring Obama because his abortion rights record clashes with fundamental church teaching.

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The Vatican has been open to Obama ever since his election, despite his record on abortion and support for embryonic stem-cell research, which the Vatican also opposes.

Pope Benedict XVI broke Vatican protocol the day after Obama was elected, sending a personal note of congratulations rather than wait to send an official telegram on inauguration day.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; agenda; appropaganda; bho44; bhoabortion; catholic; cult; notredame; obama; popeworshippers; second100days; weakapbs
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

No! He’s saving that for mileage ratings for cars! Global Warming matters, kids don’t.


101 posted on 05/18/2009 4:55:47 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Petronski; Zakeet
The rest is an AP paraphrasing.

Thank you! This is why I did not bother to ping the Catholic list. This is typical media word twisting and spin.

102 posted on 05/18/2009 4:55:54 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: wagglebee
Wags, thank you again and again for your always-timely and well informed remarks.

I just saw this over at Mark Shea's blog ("Catholic and Enjoying It"), always worth visiting: his take on "Why doesn't the Pope do something about Notre Dame? If if he doesn't --- or if he's ignored --- oh dear oh dear, how can I stay in the Church?":

Shea:

"You may as well ask ... why were there so many Judaizers after Peter spoke in Acts 15. How on earth does rebellion against the teaching of the Church show that the Church's teaching is wrong?

"You ask why the Pope didn't speak out against this. Because it's not the Pope's job to micromanage Notre Dame University. You complain that he congratulated Barack on winning the Presidency. What do you expect? The man's the head of state of the most powerful nation on earth. Benedict fulfilled the command to "honor the king" and pay normal respects to civil authority. That doesn't mean he pronounced a blessing on Obama's pro-choice policies.

"Unless you are going to complain that Jesus and Peter were insincere for failing to conduct letter-writing campaigns of advice and rebuke to Pilate or Caligula for their egregious sins against the rights of their countrymen, I don't see what your point is.

"You might as well read 1 and 2 Corinthians and conclude that, since Paul's flock in Corinth was all screwed up, it's safe to just ignore Paul's gospel."

103 posted on 05/18/2009 4:56:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Illegitimi non carborundum.)
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To: xcamel

The only common ground between good and evil is for good to defeat evil.


104 posted on 05/18/2009 5:00:33 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Zakeet

This is total lamestream media spin.

Not to be believed at all. The Vatican would never endorse Obortion Obama!


105 posted on 05/18/2009 5:08:25 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: justiceseeker93

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Osservatore_Romano#L.27Osservatore_Romano_and_the_Magisterium

A common error for journalists and theologians is to interpret the texts of L’Osservatore Romano as if they were of official value for the Magisterium. In fact, they cannot have such a value, except if a high-ranking bishop is writing a more solemn text, and not a mere theological opinion. Otherwise, L’Osservatore does not have the ability to write or approve encyclicals and papal allocutions.

For instance, a 2008 article expressed the wish that the debate on brain death be re-opened because of new developments in the medical world. An official spokesman said that the article presented a personal opinion of the author and “did not reflect a change in the Catholic Church’s position”

[link in note 6: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0804460.htm ]


106 posted on 05/18/2009 5:17:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: cpforlife.org
This article is a nice way to suck people in. It's essentially the liberal media reporting on the commentary of this newspaper, which is practically a liberal editorial. 

The L'Osservatore Romano is not the official Vatican newspaper, but it is the semi-official newspaper of the Vatican.  It has non-Catholic contributors writing front page commentaries, like the non-Catholic feminist Eugenia Roccella. Their commentaries aren't bound to Vatican issues, but also international news and topics outside of Catholic boundaries.

We know the position of the Catholic Church and The Pope - and the abortion issue isn't up for debate. This moral stand  has been the Catholic Church's position for centuries, but hey, the article gets people believing that Obama is even winning over the Pope, too!

Liberals manipulate people just like Obama does whenever he delivers a speech. It's up to us to stop and think a little, and hold them accountable.

107 posted on 05/18/2009 6:08:50 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: VeniVidiVici; All

L’Osservatore Romano is not “The Vatican.” It’s a lib Eurotrash rag. It is NOT the mind of the Pope.


108 posted on 05/18/2009 6:13:00 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (-: We'll see what comes from Notre Dame :-)
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To: reagandemocrat; cpforlife.org
zenit.org is a reliable news source. Feast on this article:

US Prelate Urges Patriotism in Sacramental Life, Calls Notre Dame's Honor of Obama the Greatest Scandal

Stick with zenit.

109 posted on 05/18/2009 6:49:05 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (-: We'll see what comes from Notre Dame :-)
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To: MES401067
Here, from zenit.org:

Notre Dame, Obama and the Catholic Brand

Helen Alvaré is a senior fellow in law for the Culture of Life Foundation, and an associate professor of law at the George Mason University School of Law in Arlington, Virginia. In 2008, Benedict XVI named Professor Alvaré a consultor to the Pontifical Council for the Laity.

110 posted on 05/18/2009 6:58:39 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (-: We'll see what comes from Notre Dame :-)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Giuseppe Fiorentino"

Do you mean "Giuseppe Cardinal Fiorentino?" LOL!

111 posted on 05/18/2009 7:08:25 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Forget "L'Osservatore Romano" - stick with www.zenit.org!)
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To: Zakeet
Put up or shut up time.

I suspect that there will be a lot of vague statements, that can mean what ever the respective parties want them to mean.

112 posted on 05/18/2009 7:16:03 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

We haven’t heard Fr Guido Sarducci’s take on this, have we?


113 posted on 05/18/2009 7:17:21 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: redgolum
To clarify, the paper. I suspect the Pope won't be as soft shooed.
114 posted on 05/18/2009 7:37:42 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: MrB

LOL, I don’t think we have!


115 posted on 05/18/2009 7:43:11 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Forget "L'Osservatore Romano" - stick with www.zenit.org!)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Ty.


116 posted on 05/18/2009 7:48:54 PM PDT by MES401067 (Lenin called them "useful idiots" I for one have no use for them.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
This is the most dangerous and insidious form of propaganda from the bastards at the Associated Press.

Its not working, and the day when that SOB Dean Singleton and his band of minor league propagandists will made to suffer the consequences of their actions is coming.


117 posted on 05/18/2009 7:58:56 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Zakeet

LOL!!

Good post Mrs. Don-o.

It’s getting to the point that whenever I read something is being attributed as being from “the Vatican” - you can be durn sure it ain’t.

And when the headline says “the Pope says...”
You can be durn sure they’ve edited him out of context to place him in the most unfavorable light.


118 posted on 05/18/2009 8:03:48 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Landru

“Exactly who is this Vatican, and how might one meet him/her/it?”

LOL!
All this time I’ve been thinking the Pope live IN the Vatican, and the Pope had final say on these matters.

I too am confused by all the headlines “The Vatican says this” “The Vatican says that”

When will our priests start talking about this “Vatican” - who seems to have so much to say?


119 posted on 05/18/2009 8:10:06 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Victoria Delsoul; Lauren BaRecall; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; wagglebee; Mrs. Don-o
imo The Church needs to go medieval on any and all liberals it has authority over.

The abortion rate in the US will be going back up under Obozo.

There are 195 dioceses in the US. 400+ bishops when you include assistant and retired. And a whopping 79 bothered to take the time out of their oh so hectic schedules to make a "statement". That's a disgrace.

The apathy of the bishops is the main problem. Until there are a greater number of bishops who are actual shepherds and not regional business managers things cannot get much better overall.

120 posted on 05/18/2009 8:10:17 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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