Posted on 05/02/2009 6:52:35 AM PDT by ReformationFan
The Interfaith Alliance, a far-left religious advocacy group in Idaho, has accused Scott Lively, a scheduled speaker at this weekend's "Shake the Nation" conference in Boise, of "bearing false witness" and of being "mean-spirited and hurtful."
Lively's crime? In his book, "The Pink Swastika," Lively exposes a secret homosexual activists don't want you to know about Nazi Germany: that although the Nazis did persecute homosexuals, the homosexuals the Nazis persecuted were almost exclusively the effeminate members of the gay community in Germany, and that much of the mistreatment was administered by masculine homosexuals who despised effeminacy in all its forms.
Ludwig Lenz worked at the Sex Research Institute in Berlin, which was destroyed by Hitler's Brown Shirts in 1933 likely because its records, including 40,000 confessions from members of the Nazi Party, would have exposed the sexual perversions of Nazi leadership. Lenz said that "not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal."
In fact, the Nazi Party began in a gay bar in Munich, and Ernst Roehm, Hitler's right hand in the early days of Nazism, was well-known for his taste in young boys. William Shirer says in his definitive "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," not only that Roehm was "important in the rise of Hitler," but also "like so many of the early Nazis, (he was) a homosexual."
Hitler eventually had Roehm shot, not because he was a homosexual but because his influence over the Brown Shirts made him a political threat to Hitler's control. The Roehm Purge, or "Night of the Long Knives," was largely implemented by homosexuals.
Hitler's Brown Shirts, the dreaded SA, better known as "Storm Troopers," were the creation of another homosexual, Gerhard Rossbach, and Storm Troopers were almost exclusively homosexual.
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Since the membership in the SA reached almost 3 million, which is above 10% of the male population of Germany of the age to be Storm Troopers, it is obviously impossible that they were "almost exclusively homosexual".
Studies have shown?
I'm not quite sure of your point here. Roehm and many others, perhaps including Der Fuerher, were gay, but they reformed by lining a bunch of the flamers up against the wall? And that renders the connection a non-connection?
[Roehm and the SA leadership were shot because they were perceived as too Red, not because so many of them were too lavender].
I've read Shirer's book probably half a dozen times and I missed that little factoid. I'll have to check it again.
No. I wasn’t there. But then, I doubt you were either. And I sincerely doubt any gay Nazis were going to come out to you if you were. or let you watch them do interrogations. Himmler’s orders and the execution of homosexual SS men are historical facts.The basic premise of the article is hisdtorical surmise. Try to understand the diference some time.
And while the SA leadership did, indeed, play a vital role in establishing the Nazi regime, they [including a great many non-homosexual SA leaders] were killed, and the SA eradicated as a major player in Nazi politics after KALIBRI.
The sadomasochistic tendencies of the Islamists and treatment of women is rooted in their covert homoeroticism...
A cursory psychoanalysis of the masochistic left in the West will find that most of those submissive, feminized males are most often allied with Islam because of such militant, misogynist attitudes in their deviant thinking concerning sexuality. Like Islamics, nothing sets them off more than any criticism at all, even if it is founded in the facts of biological reality.
I’m not persuaded by the history books I’ve read that the case of Hitler’s alleged homosexuality is a proven fact. Be that as it may, the point I was arguing,is that open homosexuality , of either the effeminate or more ‘muscular’ type was subject to draconian penalties after the Night of the Long Knives. And since the premise articulated in the article was that the ‘effeminate’ gays were persecuted by their less flamboyant brethren, we arrived at the regime’s enforcement apparatus, the SS, and the German police forces: the Sicherheitspolitzei, Ordnungspolitzei and the SS SD. Which was why I mentioned Himmler’s orders and actions regarding homosexuality in the SS.
what is SGA?
It has always seemed to me that one reason for its success is that Islam is a religion expressly designed for the dominance of cowardly bullies and sadists. It has been much more successful than Communism at seizing power and maintaining power.
Were not the majority of the first members of the nazi party homosexual?
Student Government Association.
I wouldn’t say a majority, although Ernst Rohm certainly was.
But one thing that always struck me, is that when you look at the ideal Aryan that the Nazis talked about, and then looked at their leadership, very few looked anything like that ideal, they mostly had dark hair, and were rather scrawny in appearance. Goebbels was even born with a clubbed foot, which was considered a birth defect, and under the Nazi guidelines, would have made him eligible to be euthanized.
Shirer does describe Roehm's belief in and plans for a "second revolution," more of a communist revolution, and states that this was a major point of disagreement between the two friends.
In Germany they're known as SDs.
Yes, of course you're right about that. His long relationship with Eva Braun and his much earlier and more tempestuous relationship with the beautiful Geli Raubal (which ended, as you know, with her death, apparantly self-induced) mitigate against the identification of Hitler as an actual homosexual.
According to Shirer, the S.A. numbered 2 million at it's height, and functioned as the Nazi party's police force during its formative years.
Many rank and file SA members started out as Communist street brawlers, they had about as much loyalty as Arlen Specter.
Interesting that a similar thing happened in Cuba in the 1960s — Castro, whose inner circle was a cabal of male & female homosexuals— created concentration camps (UMAP)
for homsexuals. This was all documented in the film ,”Improper Conduct”(1984). Of course, almost no gay in the US and elsewhere spoke out against Castro at the time.
The night of the long knives occured because Reohm differed with Hitler when it came to the nationalization of German industry, (which the earlier asertion that it happened because of being too red is close) Hitler earler discussed nationalization of industry in Mein Kamph but like Mussolini (who by the way blocked Hitlers’s first attempt to seize Austria) followed the fascist school of socialism and discarded that aspect of communisim because of the support by Farben and Krupp. Then there is Himler,which took over the remanants of the disbanded SA .
Himler is very interesting because he organized SS Strum Stauffen units composed solely and comanded by officers of French, White Russian/Ukraine, Lithuaninan,and slav/ Romainan and others in the later stages of WWII.
In fact Vlasoff’s army (a SS unit outfitted by Himler) liberated Prague Czecheslovkia from the Greman SS units only to be turned over to the Russian Army and liquidated.
Barney Frank RATS, HEADS UP.
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