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Shoddy Engineering or Intelligent Design? Case of the Mouse's Eye ("junk" DNA Super-Functional!)
Discovery Institute ^ | April 29, 2009 | Richard Sternberg, Ph.D.

Posted on 05/01/2009 4:20:14 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Conclusion:

So the next time someone tells you that it “strains credulity” to think that more than a few pieces of “junk DNA” could be functional in the cell — that the data only point to the lack of design and suboptimality — remind them of the rod cell nuclei of the humble mouse...

(Excerpt) Read more at evolutionnews.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; intelligentdesign; junkscience; oldearthspeculation; religionofatheism; science; youngearthnonsense
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To: Gordon Greene

Well, it sort of suggested itself to me. Sorry to have exploded your expostulation.


21 posted on 05/01/2009 6:56:15 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

And man evolved to be single minded... unfortunately a “gift” that attacks us all.

And one that destroys many it attacks.

I wonder if my ribbon awareness ribbon covers that malady?


22 posted on 05/01/2009 6:59:11 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Ok. Now explain hemorrhoids ...
23 posted on 05/01/2009 7:04:03 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; GodGunsGuts; Glenn

“Ok. Now explain hemorrhoids ...”

I’d be glad to. This is going to be in the form of a play.

The part of the brain is going to be played by GG.

The part of the conscience will be played by GGG.

The part of the posterior will be played this evening by Glenn.

And introducing last but not least, playing the part of the hemorrhoid is someone intimately familiar with the subject... Coldwater!

Ready... quiet on the set... ACTION!


24 posted on 05/01/2009 7:33:14 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: ColdWater
Ok. Now explain hemorrhoids ...

The creation model does not teach stasis. What it teaches is degeneration from a perfect beginning following the Fall of man, which introduced death, disease and suffering into the world.

From an evolutionary viewpoint, I would expect that if evolution can produce the marvels of the eye, innumerable hyper-complex biosystems and so forth, then eliminating simple problems like hemorrhoids should be a piece of cake. Their existence is evidence of the degenerative trend in our bodies, not some sort of waystation on an upwards evolutionary path.

25 posted on 05/01/2009 8:17:11 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: GodGunsGuts; Glenn

Well, I guess this means Dr. Sternberg is no longer a Darwinian himself! I had the pleasure of meeting him at the 2003 BSG study conference. Brilliant man (double-Ph.D. and it shows). Good to see him coming around more to our side.


26 posted on 05/01/2009 8:20:44 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


27 posted on 05/01/2009 8:27:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Gordon Greene
So?” was not a legitimate question and I will make the supreme judgement it wasn’t meant to be one. It was meant to be antagonistic.

I really don't have a dog in this fight at all, but your response is stupid. The question SO? is a question of what are the consequences or significance of your rather juvenile and autistic observation. If your observation has no meaning or consequence, then stow it. You're wasting our time.

28 posted on 05/01/2009 8:29:38 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard; GodGunsGuts

“I really don’t have a dog in this fight at all, but your response is stupid.”

“If your observation has no meaning or consequence, then stow it. You’re wasting our time.”

Always glad to oblige. And next time, bring your dog. Their smarter than most evolutionists... and a durn site friendlier.

And by the way, you shore do type out some purdy words fer a buzzard!


29 posted on 05/01/2009 8:41:18 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: ColdWater; GodGunsGuts
Ok. Now explain hemorrhoids ...

Straining at gnats.

30 posted on 05/01/2009 9:09:20 PM PDT by AndrewC (Metanoia)
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To: AndrewC; ColdWater; GodGunsGuts

“Ok. Now explain hemorrhoids ...”

“Straining at gnats.”

Yep... that’ll cause it if you strain for too long. Usually depends on how many gnats you’ve eaten though. Or maybe only a few if you’ve got a tiny... well you get what I’m sayin’.


31 posted on 05/01/2009 9:12:54 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: raybbr

“I wonder how long it took Him to think of all the little details?”

I doubt man will ever understand all the details, regardless of how much time we are given. But I don’t think it took him any time at all.


32 posted on 05/01/2009 9:13:45 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: Glenn

I know you are but what am I!

;)


33 posted on 05/01/2009 9:15:16 PM PDT by RobRoy (I'm wearing a cast on one hand. My spelling and clarity may not be up to par right now.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
exposing darwood's atheist creation myth

I have not heard of this myth. Who is Darwood? I am curious about the myth. Is this the new evolution of Intelligent Design? Is Pandas and People being revised with this new "Darwood Creationism?"

34 posted on 05/01/2009 9:38:39 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: Gordon Greene

Actually the image is created in the brain from information presented by the eye. If an up side down image were presented to the eye eventually the brain would right it.

If the brain doesn’t permit the eye to see, it won’t.


35 posted on 05/01/2009 9:43:53 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Thanks for the post.

When I read the Origin of the Species, it was apparent to me that Charles Darwin was an intelligent man who was familiar with the subject. That doesn't mean that he was right, but I think it should predispose the reader to give some weight to his writing.

In my opinion, this all applies to the author of this article, Richard Sternberg. He is evidently an intelligent man, who is very familiar with the subject. Again, that does not mean that he is right, but the reader should give his views some weight.

As I read both sides of the debate at their highest level, it seems that the pro-evolution side is often marred by it's irrelevant attacks on religion. Those critical of evolution stick to science, logic, reason, and philosophy. Religion is not a part of their argument. (They might respond on a theological point. A response to someone elses' attack is fair enough. Religion can also be discussed AFTER the main scientific discussion has been concluded. When this is done, it is a separate and distinct topic that can be easily ignored.)

I was once told that we must accept the best naturalistic explanation - no matter how bad it might be. I think that is the critical claim. It is seldom explicit. I think it is often implicit. I reject the claim. I think it is O.K. to say that science lacks satisfactory explanations for the origin and diversity of life. This honest finding might incline some towards religion, but why should a good scientist care about that?

36 posted on 05/01/2009 9:46:55 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Chicken Little has been widely misunderstood. She heard that chickens were descended from dinosaurs and had a flashback memory of the giant asteroid coming down, (the sky is falling!!!).

Since chickens had also evolved altruism she ran around trying to warn everyone else.

From a soon to written book, “Evolution, Eldorado, and Free Lunches”.

37 posted on 05/02/2009 1:59:30 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Gordon Greene
I will make the supreme judgement it wasn’t meant to be one. It was meant to be antagonistic.

Which merely proves that your "supreme judgment" is at least as poor as your ability to recognize and answer a legitimate question.

Your little foray into psychoanalysis is merely icing on the cake, demonstrating an astoundingly arrogant presumption of claiming to know my position, which is matched only by the degree to which you are wrong.

You're not worth a moment more of my time.

38 posted on 05/02/2009 6:36:59 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb; GodGunsGuts

“You’re not worth a moment more of my time.”

Gotcha! (betcha read this... thanks for the moment. It was really special).

I reallly do love them purdy words, evo!


39 posted on 05/02/2009 6:43:32 AM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Gordon Greene
“… do you guys have anything other than “Fools.” and “So?” to the conversation.” [excerpt]
Don't worry about them.

I'm pretty sure the guy who posts ‘fools’ is just warning us that a bunch of foolish evo's are about to show up.

Sometimes a guys best rebuttal to an article is to say So?

When its the best you've got, you use it.
40 posted on 05/05/2009 12:36:59 PM PDT by Fichori (The only bailout I'm interested in is the one where the entire Democrat party leaves the county)
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