Posted on 04/30/2009 7:07:18 AM PDT by wingsof liberty
Anyone else out there scared? Democratic leaders are threatening to impose the use of reconciliation - a simple majority vote - to defeat a GOP filibuster on The Ones Universal Healthcare package. No negotiation, of course. They will say its my way or the highway. The GOP is threatening "all out war" if the Rats try to pull this, but honestly I dont think the Dims are too scared. We know what a single payer healthcare system like Obama is proposing would mean. All we have to do is look to Canada & Britain: -A flood of millions of new patients, including illegal aliens, creating a chronic caregiver shortage -Long waits to see specialists, resulting in deaths -Specialists quitting their professions because they will be paid the same as regular physicians, -Patients denied treatments their doctors recommend because government beaurocrats say no, and the list goes on. So is there anything we can do to stop this disaster from happening? I have written my lawmakers on this, but considering I live in MA have already been labeled a "threat to national security" by DHS for doing so. How can we willfully impose a system that we know will be disaster based on other existing examples? Oh, were being turned into a Socialist state that also doesnt work - never mind. The GOP needs to be out in force educating the public on what this would mean for every American - so far I dont see it happening. Chairman Steele? Mr. Chairman......?
Vote..................
I’m not scared, but I’m profoundly bummed.
My country is changing in two fundamental ways:
It is becoming a socialist nation. Since this will be socialism on the largest scale ever tried, the fallout from the inherent unsustainability of socialism will be particularly dangerous-—however it is manifested and reacted to.
It is becoming not only “not a Christian nation,” but an anti-Christian nation.
With universal health care, for example, we will become the abortion capital of the world, all paid for by our tax dollars. Abortion will be actively promoted by the federal government (”us”) as a way to contain welfare costs, since many children are born directly into poverty in successive generations.
2010 is one opportunity to provide a little bit of a pushback, but without a true grassroots revolution at the ballot box, 2010 will be just a blip on the screen.
Those who said “so what, Obama will be 4 and out” were, as I have repeatedly said, crazy. What the Rats, especially unopposed, will accomplish in one year, never mind four, eight or sixteen, will NEVER be undone, any more than LBJ’s legacy in creating the welfare state and perpetual ghettos will ever be undone.
I think all we can do is what you are already doing - contact your state legilators, talk to friends, etc. and hope and pray that come 2010 there are more of us than there are of “them” and we can vote the idiots out of office.
It’s IS a very scary thing to think about - especially for people who are not well - or who have diseases that must be managed ie: diabetes, ms, lupus, cancer, arthritis, etc.
I shudder to think what will happen to me if, in the middle of a “mad muscles” flare, I can’t get in to get a shot.
We need to tie these bastards in with communism - which is exactly what it is, whether they think so or not - as well as fascism (communism lite). Really show people what that leads to. Forget Britain, or France, which are “lite” versions from resting on laurels of past glory. Show them films of NAZIs and Stalin and Lenin and the butchery as well as long lines trying to get basic items, etc. Have real people who actually lived under these regimes come on and tell us how Dem’s ideas ARE communist, and they fled communism. Etc, etc, etc. Make immigrants like that the focal point; they can be found (ask a friend of mine who has cousins from Russia who are outspoken on that). They should be telling people about the difference. Put them on The View and put those apologetic morons to shame.
“Since this will be socialism on the largest scale ever tried”
How is it bigger than the USSR?
“In a democracy, the people know what they want and they deserve to get it, good and hard!”
What the Dems don’t understand is that we are still free people. That is until they implement a police state, cause that’s what it’s going to take to get us all to ‘cooperate’.
There’s always another system available! You just have to ‘network’ to find it.
that was last November and the next vote of consequence is not until 2010.
the Republican party was shanghaied by the MSM and RINO republicans....and along with $4 gas prices, 401Ks tanking and a Socialist leaning republican in the WH we got totally screwed.
States need to declare their states rights...that is the only course if our Constitutional rights get violated by the turds in Washington.
Thanks for posting—I have been trying to get fire burning under this issue all last week. Only ones talking about this are Mark Levin and a couple radio hosts in Milwaukee o—Vicki McKenna and Mark Belling on WISN. WLS is ignoring it. Rush & Hannity are not not spending lots of time on it, but hopefully they will.
This is ahuge issue. I don’t know why no one seems to care...perhaps they are shell-shocked with all the stuff—seems like daily. However, everyone should be scared—very scared if they value freedom of choice for medical care, doctors, etc.
This is a huge socialist power grab for nearly a fifth of the economy. If our health care system goes down, there is no where to go. Innovation will end. There will be no incentive for new products like Tamiflu, etc. The best and brightest will not be going to Med school.
Socialized health care devolves into rationing and no one wins. Of course, like the USSR, the elite in Washington will have their own private system—kind of like how they have their own social security retirement system that happens to not be broken.
Living in Illinois, I feel it is pretty hopeless for my Senate representation; however, my Congressperson is fairly conservative. The toppling of this will hinge on the vulnerable and moderate democrats. People need to get going calling, supporting organizations that oppose this. If the non-contributors get free-health care, we as a free nation are screwed imho.
One problem I see in your post and in many similar posts: it ends with “the GOP needs to . . .,” “Chairman Steele needs to . . ..”
No! Haven’t we learned already the limits of depending on someone else to do the people’s business for us?
Sure, I hope and pray the GOP does do what it should. But nothing will work unless we, the people, do the educating, do the opposing, do the outrage, do the protesting, do the canvassing, do the voting.
Let’s shed this mentality (not talking to you directly) that we are helplessly and hopelessly dependent upon some party or pol to take care of business for us.
Overturn Wickard v Filburn.
Vote to Impeach is the only vote for now IMO, because by the next scheduled time we vote at the polls again, this guy Obama will have this country so screwed up it’ll take a full Conservative movement to address the correction, and that’s not going to happen.
The mid terms are next year. We can flush the Congressional dems and leave The Zero without a powerful ally as we did to the Klintoons in 1994.........................
My dad and sister were simultaneously diagnosed with cancer this Feb. The have started treatments - sister right away (worse), Dad just yesterday (plus he had old clot problems pop up which messed up plans). I’ve been scared what will happen to them, but at least they start on the good side. Likewise me and my mom, as we both suffer from constant GI problems from top to bottom, and makes it very hard to be “happy” much less really help out. We have enough trouble without having to get by without any meds or doctors for long times.
Clean out the Congress next year and leave the Zero with nothing...................
*shrugs* life goes on. The best thing we can do is to move our capital to tax havens like Dubai and get medical care there if we need it.
I agree.
I actually had some freepers call me out before the election for calling Obama a Marxist. Their view was it put people off, that it would make them not take it seriously when a “real” Marxist came along.
Bunk!
too much damage can intervene in those 2 years......and certain things never get reversed....
Did Reagan reverse Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid? NO. once it is in we are screwed.
Bless your heart - and I complain about little things. Hang in there.
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