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How Young Engineers and Our Economy Are Betrayed
Human Events ^ | 4/29/09 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 04/29/2009 6:49:17 AM PDT by seatrout

Large corporations prefer to use H-1B visas to hire foreign engineers and computer technicians. H-1B workers increased threefold during the Clinton administration, and CEOs are constantly demanding that the number be raised or even unlimited.

Large corporations prefer H-1B foreigners because they work for lower wages with fewer rights. A recent study by researchers at top business schools reported that H-1B visas depress wages for software engineers and programmers by as much as 6 percent.

The cumulative effect, as described by another study, depresses wages even more. Many U.S. engineers even lost their jobs just after they were required to train their foreign replacements.

The Americans hardest hit by H-1B visas, according to these researchers, are recent college graduates and those who want to change jobs. One of the reasons why big corporations prefer to hire H-1Bers is that foreign workers are restrained, almost like indentured servants, from changing jobs and competing with their original employer.

Americans used indentured services in the 1600s when plantation workers were brought to Virginia to work for seven years in exchange for a free voyage to the New World. Later, this practice was supplanted by African slavery.

That's certainly not a model to imitate today. H-1B visas disrupt the free enterprise system that has yielded tremendous wealth to America and the world.

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; americansfirst; greed; immigration; jobtheft; meowmix; pinata; valhalla; weareyouroverlords; zot
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Our American ingenuity is a point of pride for so many, and now it is being replaced by greed and national subordination to foreigners. Is that the change in America that the president hopes to usher in? More workers for lower wages? More focus on the world outside of America while shunning everything that this country has to offer? That isn't the America that I believe in.
1 posted on 04/29/2009 6:49:17 AM PDT by seatrout
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To: seatrout

It is part of the new world order plot to destroy the middle class. The engineering skills typically paid well enough to put the young engineer solidly in the middle class; that is unacceptable to those who want it reduced to the elite and the rest.


2 posted on 04/29/2009 6:54:46 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: seatrout

The dearth of really smart math and science students from our own ranks has nothing to do with it?


3 posted on 04/29/2009 6:56:02 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: seatrout
Even DoD contractors are hiring H1B's. Before I left the DoD company I worked for, they had an article in their internal newspaper about starting up centers in India to have work done.

Being in computers/IT, one of the managers from my old company made a comment that he would like to hire foreigners. One reason he mentioned is they dress better - wear dress slacks all the time even on weekends and the other, they don't question authority. My opinion, they are more easily "controlled".
4 posted on 04/29/2009 6:57:23 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: Rippin

It is a vicious cycle. Why would anyone pursue a science or engineering major when they know their earnings will be undercut by foreigners?


5 posted on 04/29/2009 6:57:56 AM PDT by fifthestate
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To: Rippin
According to Shlafly, there really isn't that much of a "dearth", but the smart Americans cost more to hire than Pujabis and Bengalis.
6 posted on 04/29/2009 6:58:19 AM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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The dearth of really smart math and science students from our own ranks has nothing to do with it?

Why should a college kid go to the trouble of getting an engineering degree when his job will just get outsourced within five years?

7 posted on 04/29/2009 6:59:01 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: CORedneck

—My opinion, they are more easily “controlled”. —

Exactly. Just like the “indentured servants” of old, that Shlafly mentions in the article. Only difference is that, today, OSHA regulations frown on use of a bullwhip.


8 posted on 04/29/2009 7:00:06 AM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: Rippin

“The dearth of really smart math and science students from our own ranks has nothing to do with it?”

This is my profession, and I am reluctant to encourage any smart students to pursue advanced degrees. Our MBAs, politicians, and others of no intellectual accomplishment have allowed our jobs to go elsewhere. Why study difficult subjects for years and years whilst watching social “science” and law majors become our “leaders”...spending our tax dollars and enriching their corrupt supporters?


9 posted on 04/29/2009 7:00:43 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: dirtboy

H1-bs are “internal outsourcing.” Instead of bringing the job to the foreigners, high-tech brings the foreigners to the job.


10 posted on 04/29/2009 7:00:57 AM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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To: seatrout

At least the indentured servants became both free and citizens after those seven years. These H1Bs are headed right back home with their dough once they’ve decided they’ve done enough.


11 posted on 04/29/2009 7:01:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: seatrout

The age discrimination issue needs to be emphasized as well. 22-year-old engineers are relatively cheap. 50-year-old engineers are relatively expensive. Any American who goes into engineering ought to know that they will be competing against H1B’s and that after working for a few decades, they will suddenly become much less attractive as employees. In a downturn like this, to be laid off at 50 is a very, very bad thing for an engineer.


12 posted on 04/29/2009 7:01:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: seatrout
Only difference is that, today, OSHA regulations frown on use of a bullwhip.

Somedays, working on OSHA compliance, I'd take my chances with the bullwhip.

13 posted on 04/29/2009 7:04:15 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
These H1Bs are headed right back home with their dough once they’ve decided they’ve done enough.

To say nothing of their former employer's intellectual property. Yeah, foreign engineers and computer scientists may be cheap to employ, but they're very expensive once those folks take their knowledge home and sell it to your overseas competitors.

FWIW if you are in engineering or CS, get yourself a job that requires a clearance. Foreigners won't qualify for those positions (yet).

14 posted on 04/29/2009 7:04:46 AM PDT by gieriscm (07 FFL / 02 SOT - www.extremefirepower.com)
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To: seatrout
Cohen & Grigsby workshop on how to exclude Americans (a little dated).
15 posted on 04/29/2009 7:08:01 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: seatrout

H1-B program is a complete and total scam, it is to skilled workers what illegals are to unskilled. Anyone tells you otherwise they are bald face lying to you.


16 posted on 04/29/2009 7:08:03 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: fifthestate; dirtboy

This is an opinion piece, designed to stir up emotions.

I am the parent of three young engineers, all of whom have good jobs, well-paid, never outsourced.

None of them have even one engineering friend without a job, but they do have friends who can’t find a job because they either dropped out of school or earned a generic degree that didn’t prepare them for today’s economy.

The sad truth:

Not enough American kids put the required years of effort into learning the tough math and science that technical jobs require.


17 posted on 04/29/2009 7:09:56 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: fifthestate

I have seen it first hand when Indian and other Asian gangs get into companies. In a few months all the Americans are gone.

Americans not being smart enough? Nonsense. The best programmmers I know or have known are Americans. Next best or comparable are Europeans or Russians.


18 posted on 04/29/2009 7:09:57 AM PDT by Frantzie ("Remember when Bush was President & Americans had jobs?")
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To: Jedidah

You nailed it.

American students ARE NOT pursuing computer science or other types of engineering degrees.

I’m an IT recruiter at one of the largest high-tech companies in the world. There are not enough US citizens to do the jobs.


19 posted on 04/29/2009 7:16:01 AM PDT by Rocky Mountain High
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To: Frantzie
The best programmmers I know or have known are Americans. Next best or comparable are Europeans or Russians.

The American programmers I have known are typically the most creative, but least disciplined. Indian programmers are far better for being on time, following design guidelines, documentation, etc.

That's my experience, at least. (And I'm an American programmer...)

20 posted on 04/29/2009 7:16:24 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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