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Our American ingenuity is a point of pride for so many, and now it is being replaced by greed and national subordination to foreigners. Is that the change in America that the president hopes to usher in? More workers for lower wages? More focus on the world outside of America while shunning everything that this country has to offer? That isn't the America that I believe in.
1 posted on 04/29/2009 6:49:17 AM PDT by seatrout
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To: seatrout

It is part of the new world order plot to destroy the middle class. The engineering skills typically paid well enough to put the young engineer solidly in the middle class; that is unacceptable to those who want it reduced to the elite and the rest.


2 posted on 04/29/2009 6:54:46 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: seatrout

The dearth of really smart math and science students from our own ranks has nothing to do with it?


3 posted on 04/29/2009 6:56:02 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: seatrout
Even DoD contractors are hiring H1B's. Before I left the DoD company I worked for, they had an article in their internal newspaper about starting up centers in India to have work done.

Being in computers/IT, one of the managers from my old company made a comment that he would like to hire foreigners. One reason he mentioned is they dress better - wear dress slacks all the time even on weekends and the other, they don't question authority. My opinion, they are more easily "controlled".
4 posted on 04/29/2009 6:57:23 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: seatrout

At least the indentured servants became both free and citizens after those seven years. These H1Bs are headed right back home with their dough once they’ve decided they’ve done enough.


11 posted on 04/29/2009 7:01:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: seatrout
Cohen & Grigsby workshop on how to exclude Americans (a little dated).
15 posted on 04/29/2009 7:08:01 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: seatrout

H1-B program is a complete and total scam, it is to skilled workers what illegals are to unskilled. Anyone tells you otherwise they are bald face lying to you.


16 posted on 04/29/2009 7:08:03 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: seatrout
Large corporations prefer H-1B foreigners because they work for lower wages with fewer rights.

That's not the only reason. Our educational system is horrible at teaching maths and sciences. 'Cause, you know, the NEA has decided it is more important for students to know how to use a condom than to know how to solve differential equations.

25 posted on 04/29/2009 7:19:02 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (President George W. Bush, RINO-in-Chief.)
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To: seatrout
The H1B program is no doubt being abused, but this article is kind of a red herring. The real problem in America is not that we are supposed to save "jobs" at large, monolithic, quasi-governmental entities for American workers - be they bright, young computer engineers or UAW assembly line thugs. The problem is that increasing government regulation over the last forty years has made it much more difficult for individuals to achieve success in an independent, entrepreneurial manner.

I don't think there is a young engineering student in America who doesn't want to start the next Hewlett Packard in his garage - but red tape drives them to take "jobs" with the existing Hewlett Packard, instead (and given the quality of HP products lately, they aren't too happy about it...) Fix that and no one will care about how many H1Bs are needed to keep the dinosaur corporations alive.

27 posted on 04/29/2009 7:20:13 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: seatrout

Really, the only place I see this happening is the CS/SE field. It’s easy to outsource, as you don’t actually have to be physically *there* to do your job, and since most CS/SE’s are terrible at explaining what they’re doing anyway, it’s not exactly a loss to hire someone who’s still getting acquainted with the English language.

As far as other types of engineering go, there’s still a preference for Americans, or at least people who have lived in the US long enough to have a green card. A lot of manufacturing companies have their testing on-site in the US, and those jobs really can’t be exported, as it’s easier to monitor exactly what’s going on when it’s right under your nose. Also, you’re still going to need someone who can explain how the stupid thing works... in English.


35 posted on 04/29/2009 7:30:38 AM PDT by CatInTheBox (Protractor-Wielding Love Queen)
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To: seatrout
That's certainly not a model to imitate today. H-1B visas disrupt the free enterprise system that has yielded tremendous wealth to America and the world.

With all due respect to the wonderful Phyllis Schlafly, the free-enterprise system involves voluntary private decisions in a market economy. The owners are free to hire at the market rate--which is far below what Americans seem willing to accept.

It's a side of free markets that many conservatives don't like to admit or face....but just as we use it to our advantage, it can be used by others. We have no God-given right to be paid far above market just because we are "American" instead of "Foreign."

39 posted on 04/29/2009 7:34:42 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: seatrout
I work in an engineering firm, and there's another good reason why foreign engineers are so highly sought-after by U.S. employers: They are often better engineers than their U.S. counterparts.

This isn't even directly related to H1-B visas, either. It seems like most of the students in engineering schools are foreign-born, too.

47 posted on 04/29/2009 7:40:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: seatrout

How about we eliminate H1B visas and add a 6% tariff on imported software/computer/electronic products, and dedicate that tariff solely to paying off the national debt?


52 posted on 04/29/2009 7:43:49 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Obama's just another word for nothin' left to lose)
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To: seatrout

The problem with H1-B’s is that that never know as much as is promised to you. After spending weeks re-training Indian H1-B programmers back in 1999 for a web project and then having them screw up the COM objects on the site, we have never hired anything but American kids.


79 posted on 04/29/2009 8:52:09 AM PDT by FreepShop1 (www.FreepShop.com)
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bttt


111 posted on 04/29/2009 12:42:40 PM PDT by GOPJ (We sleep safe..because rough men stand ready..to visit violence on those who would do us harm-Orwell)
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To: seatrout

IT folks spent more than a decade job hopping and driving up the wages. They created a bubble and it started to burst a couple of years ago.


173 posted on 04/30/2009 6:11:36 AM PDT by CSM (Smokers, the most patriotic of Americans!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Large corporations prefer to use H-1B visas to hire foreign engineers and computer technicians. H-1B workers increased threefold during the Clinton administration, and CEOs are constantly demanding that the number be raised or even unlimited. Large corporations prefer H-1B foreigners because they work for lower wages with fewer rights. A recent study by researchers at top business schools reported that H-1B visas depress wages for software engineers and programmers by as much as 6 percent... foreign workers are restrained, almost like indentured servants, from changing jobs and competing with their original employer. Americans used indentured services in the 1600s when plantation workers... [blah blah blah indentures were used by the white folks to pay their passage to the New World, and also children were indentured to pay off debts] ...H-1B visas disrupt the free enterprise system that has yielded tremendous wealth to America and the world.
Sounds like free enterprise at work, cutting a path around stupid gov't interference -- it may have something to do with the total lack of affirmative action and race-norming in foreign nations' educational systems; also, kids go to school longer during the year.
180 posted on 05/01/2009 5:59:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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