Posted on 04/17/2009 10:58:26 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
MILWAUKEE -- The Milwaukee Police Department found that there is a serious problem with its guns.
Officer Vidal Colon was injured over the weekend in a shootout, in which his gun jammed.
The police chief has known about the problem for a year, but he is now taking immediate action following Saturday’s shooting.
The chief sent a memo to the entire police department about the weapon problem.
On Saturday, Colon responded to a report of a man armed with a gun near 36th and Scott streets.
Colon fired his gun 13 times, and the suspect, Louis Domenech, shot back six times, refusing to drop his weapon, said police.
Both men were hit, and police have been investigating the shootout. They learned that one bullet casing had stovepiped, or jammed, in the officer’s weapon.
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Sounds like the criminal is the better shooter here!
The guy than runs the local range says the cops that come in there to qualify usually have mold growing inside of their weapons.
I keep mine clean, including my Glocks, and they don’t jam.
Period.
Doesn’t limp-wristing a Glock cause a FTE? Sounds like a training issue.
I suspect that this is a training issue, rather than a firearm issue. Replacing the magazines is a common manufacturer “feel good” measure.
*ALL* semiauto pistols can and will do this if you use them improperly. Including the 1911, Springfield XD, HK USP, etc., etc.
Limp wristing most semiautos, not just Glocks, will get you a stovepipe or other FTE.
Good reason to use a revolver.
This vidal colon (yes, indeed, colons are important - don’t parents ever think?) needs to be charged with wasting taxpayer dollars. Firing 13 times when once should have done the trick.
lack of training won’t make the officer any better with a 1500$ pistola !
Sorry to spoil the glock bash... but any auto can jam.
Causes include
Climatic Conditions (very cold ammo does not work as well)
Poor Maintenance
Bad Ammo (under or over charged)
Poor Shooter stability (limp wristing)
This is NOT a comprehensive list
all of these can be worked on, but all autos CAN jam.
Unless you discover you have more than two or three targets. Or that you’re not Carlos Hathcock or Doc Holliday and that you actually *do* miss under stress. Or that you need more than six rounds because your target is armored.
In my experience, trouble does not come in convenient two packs. It often comes in the superjumbo economy size, at which point magazine capacity might keep you alive.
I refuse to carry any service weapon that has less than ten rounds.
Ruger p98 works every time. It even passed the govs test for the armed forces, but the gov bought the Italian one.
That is the correct answer. And to the OP, if you think a GLOCK is an expensive pistol you don’t get out much.
I teach pistol marksmanship using Ruger Mk IIIs and Springfield XDs (9mm). The 10 NRA purchased pistols see thousands of rounds through them each year at our gun club. IF you use good ammo AND clean your weapon regularly FTE stovepipes are non-existent. Old weapons occasionally need an extractor and or springs replaced, but in the 3 years we’ve owned them, and thousands of rounds fire, this failure type is RARE.
The government is now buying Rugers to supplement the Berettas and Sigs.
Would you and 2hard drive please tell me what “limp wristing” is.
Is this not holding the weapon firmly enough? Can you hold it firmly enough with just one hand or do you always have to use both hands?
Thanks.
You don't. You can have the same malfunction with any other manufactured automatic weapon. I've owned two Glocks, the 20 and 21. I've never had a problem with either. I can tell you, however, most "stovepipe" issues can be corrected with proper technique. You can take most automatics, shoot with "soft hands" and have it happen with regularity.
The only weapon I've been frustrated with was a Kahr PM45. For the first couple hundred rounds, it stovepiped constantly no matter what I did. It also was a thumb-killer on the slide release. Once it went through a break in period, it functioned just fine.
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