[NorwegianViking]

When I searched for information about CIFTA, I found "THE REPORT OF THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE ON HEMISPHERIC SECURITY ON THE INTER-AMERICAN CONVENTION AGAINST THE ILLICIT MANUFACTURING OF AND TRFFICKING IN FIREARMS, AMMUNITION, EXPLOSIVES AND OTHER RELATED MATERIALS (CIFTA)....if the United States ratifies this treaty, we could be involved with the United Nations regulating our gun control....at least that is what I thought I read. On page 10 of the treaty, I read: "BEARING IN MIND in the United Nations Programme of Action to Prevent, Combat, and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects and the Hemisphere toward implementation of the national, regional, and global components of the Programme of Action;..."

Another quote from the treaty reads p. 13, number 6: "To request the Secretariat pro tempore of the Consultative Committee of the CIFTA to participate actively in the United Nations Conference to review the progress made in implementation of the United Nations Programme of Action to prevent, combat, and eradicate the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects, ..."

Quote three, p. 13, number 7: "To request the General Secretariat continue its work with the United Nations Department for Disarmament Affairs (DDA),...to prepare and offer, specialized courses in the destruction of small arms, light weapons, and ammunition, and in stockpile management."

So I gather that if the U.S. Senate ratifies this treaty, the United States will be automatically be under United Nations Gun Contol Measures. I could be totally wrong, but that is how I am reading it. Please share your thoughts. Thanks. http://scm.oas.org/doc_public/ENGLISH/HIST_06/CP16317E04.doc http://www.oas.org/csh/english/firearms.asp

[Pagey]

I’m going to have to read that one myself, though I wouldn’t put it past them. The moment I heard Hellary blaming the USA for Mexican Cartels having too many American made guns, I thought, What is she talking about???? You know what they want and they’re not hesitating in taking action either. Half the USA elected a Pro ‘United Nations’ President, what a shame.

[Vaquero]

this has to be approved by the house and senate. even with all the Dhimmms they can and will not have enough votes to approve this if many of these Red State Democrats want to be re-elected.

this is reminiscent of the Clinton and the Kyoto accords that were never ratified by congress.

[CottonBall]

I read an AP atory in essence blaming the US for providing Mexico with guns and then blaming US demand for drugs for providing comsumers for Mexico's drugs. How ridiculously biased could they be! Even if they believed the logic of consumers being at fault, then it should also apply to those wanting guns. Or conversely, if suppliers are at fault, then Mexico's drug runners are to blame.

The thing I hate most about liberals is their faulty logic. As an engineer and programmer, logic is king.

[paul51]

Impeach obama. Our so called constitution scholar has no clue. Dump this clown

[Vaquero]

You want to see states secede???

Just pull a UN gun ban on the southern and western Red states.

I will move to the first state that secedes if that happens.

[PapaBear3625]

Clickable link to the treaty text: INTER-AMERICAN CONVENTION AGAINST THE ILLICIT MANUFACTURING OF AND TRAFFICKING IN FIREARMS, AMMUNITION, EXPLOSIVES, AND OTHER RELATED MATERIALS

[CanaGuy]

UN is a 4-letter word.

[SkyPilot]

This is all so obvious: Obama and Congress have have decided the best way to "sell" gun control to a hypnotized American populace is to disguise it as really taking away guns from Mexican drug lords.

The media is doing its best to sell this lie.

The fact it, most Mexico has the strongest gun control laws possible, and most of its guns come from former Mexican Army soldiers who have been bribed by drug lords.

To claim their guns is a US problem is a fantasy to bizarre that it sounds like the whole strategy was dreamed up by someone on cocaine.

[dforest]

This is what they were doing in Europe. Using treaties to circumvent the voters.

They need to be stopped.

[bmwcyle]

The fight in court, on the phone, fax, letters, starts.

[PapaBear3625]

From the treaty in the link I just posted,
Article I - (1)b — would prohibit ammo manufacture (including reloaders) without a federal license.

[KoRn]

This doesn’t look good at all!

[PubliusMM]

Two faced, sneaky buggers, ain’t they?

We need to contact our elected federal representatives and let them know that we do not want this treaty to be approved/adopted in the US.

In fact, it would be good to add that it’s time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US...

[Carry_Okie]

This article explains the import of this move.

[DBrow]

btt

[Avoiding_Sulla]

Obama could rely upon a star chamber of Senators to ratify this treaty. Goodbye 2nd Amendment Rights. I KNOW there are doubters out there, so fire away.

Carryokie has raised on more than one occasion an important warning. Treaties need only 2 out of ANY 3 senators to agree with the president (no quorum necessary), and the treaty is law.

If that is not bad enough, the constitution states that treaties supersede all laws AND the constitution.

I can provide “line and verse” to anyone who wants me to prove this. It can be stopped if enough of us are aware of it. And there’s nothing in the constitution that says we MUST stick with an unpopular treaty forever when enough of us can impress our congresscritters with our dissatifaction.

[bamahead]

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[Blood of Tyrants]

which experts say includes language stating that it does not impinge on the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment.

They put language in there STATING that forcing more unconstitutional regulations on us doesn't infringe on the 2nd Amendment. How freaking nice. I'm all warm and fuzzy, how about you? </sarc>

[RetiredArmy]

The Marxist Government in Moscow on the Potomac is not going to get my guns and neither is the damned U freaking N.

[rockinqsranch]

To achieve their Socialist goals, and to disarm America the Left has revised the status of the Constitution to a “Living, Breathing Document” in order to cause that documents irrelevance. They proceed undeterred in their insanity towards the destruction of our Nation.

The Constitution is the law, it is the foundation of this Nation, and it is, and what has been what we have fought for over 200 years.

Why are we allowing these asshats to do this to our Constitution? Why are we rolling over and letting them have their way with us?