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Evolutionary Explanations: Substance, Seasoning, or Storytelling?
CEH ^ | April 7, 2009

Posted on 04/08/2009 7:27:21 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Evolutionary Explanations: Substance, Seasoning, or Storytelling?

April 7, 2009 — A scientific theory should explain why certain phenomena in nature are the way they are.  This layman’s view, though simplistic, expects that a theory should also predict new phenomena before they are observed.  In many science reports on evolution, however, one finds evolutionary theory tacked on as an explanation after the fact, when the theory had virtually nothing to do with the research or the conclusions (for examples a year ago, see 04/04/2008).  The evolutionary interpretation also begs the question that it is the only explanation adequate to explain the phenomena under observation.  Other research projects that are motivated by evolutionary theory, and claim success of the theory, leave sizable loopholes for critics.

  1. Dog lab:  The dog has been man’s best friend for years, but is it because of evolution?  MSNBC News surprised readers with the title “Dogs (not chimps) most like humans.” 

    Lest one conclude that we evolved from dogs, or they from us, the article launched into a discussion of dog-human co-evolution.  “Now, perhaps for the first time, students of animal behavior, psychology, neuroscience, anthropology, philosophy and veterinary medicine will unite to provide deeper insights into the evolution of dogs and the evolution of humans,” said Marc Hauser of Harvard.  If you thought you were training your dog with intelligent design, maybe Darwin was at work on both of you.

  2. Spliceosome marvels:  The spliceosome, one of the most sophisticated molecular machines of all, was unveiled in unprecedented detail recently by scientists at Brandeis University and Cambridge.  This machine clips RNA transcripts and reassembles them before they get translated into proteins.  It’s an exquisite process that must be performed thousands of times without error, lest serious disorders develop.  Science Daily reported on the detailed look at this machine, then quoted a researcher who said this about it: “In human cells one gene can be made into a variety of proteins, so if the process just goes slightly wrong, the genetic alteration can lead to incredible disaster; yet on the other hand, this incredible complexity has led to our amazing evolutionary progress,” said Pomeranz Krummel [Brandeis U]. 

    “....The fundamental difference between us and the earthworm is that our cells have evolved to utilize this process of RNA splicing to generate a whole other dimension to the transmission of genetic information.”

  3. Insect flight:  Last month, Science Daily told about a researcher at U of Arkansas who searched for the evolution of insect flight.  He and his coworkers dropped wingless bristletails, thought to be ancestors of winged insects, from treetops and watched them control their descent with their tails.  “The existence of aerial control ability in a wingless insect and its habitat in trees is consistent with the hypothesis of a terrestrial origin for winged flight in insects,” he said – but he did not connect the tail structure with the wings and muscles of flying insects.  Nor did he consider the possibility that bristletails are secondarily flightless.

  4. Sponge ancestor not:  You can breathe a sigh of relief.  The sponge is not your ancestor.  Science Daily said that an international team has put sponges on a separate evolutionary branch all their own: “scientists report that all sponges descended from a unique sponge ancestor, who in turn was not the ancestor of all other animals.”  To tell this story, they had to stretch credibility: “Since the comb jellies already have nerve and muscle cells, this would suggest that these features developed several times independently in animal history, or that they were lost in sponges and placozoans.”  The article says that molecular and morphological studies contradict each other’s evolutionary inferences and the work remains “controversial.”
  5. Game theory:  Explaining the evolution of cooperation by game theory is still a hot topic.  PhysOrg claimed that “Cooperative behavior meshes with evolutionary theory” based on work by two MIT students.  To make this work, it seems the evolutionists need to ascribe free will to the members of a population – even to yeast cells:

    The same rules apply to the cheating and cooperating yeast: Like the driver who grudgingly gets out and shovels so that both she and her fellow motorist – snug inside his car – may continue on their journeys, the yeast who cooperate do so because there is a slight benefit for themselves.  However, when most of the yeast are cooperating, it becomes advantageous for some individuals to cheat, and vice versa, which allows co-existence between cheaters and cooperators to arise.

What would you rather have: scientists concerned about curing cancer and building green technology, or lazy guys dropping bugs out of treetops so that they can tell stories about how technology invented itself?  Re-read the principles in the 04/04/2008 commentary.  The Darwinian storytellers have still not repented.


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To: Caesar Soze

==Well, if the scientist is a tropical arthropod entomologist, I want him tossing bugs out of trees.

That’s one of the beauties of creation science. They don’t need to dismember and throw bugs out of trees to validate the design of God’s creation.


21 posted on 04/08/2009 8:08:07 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Evolutionists and the Creationists are saying the same things, while arguing over the details.

Problem is, they are both wrong.


22 posted on 04/08/2009 8:09:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Men are forced to formulate theories.

If the theory has to explain why, and the Bible is your explanation then it's part of the theory.

23 posted on 04/08/2009 8:12:10 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You answer first.


24 posted on 04/08/2009 8:19:05 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: UCANSEE2

Then what is the correct answer?


25 posted on 04/08/2009 8:20:58 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: Caesar Soze

==It does not follow that anything offensive is the message of Jesus Christ.

It depends on what you mean by “anything.” The Bible is clear that the gospel is offensive to the unbeliever. So offensive, in fact, many a Christian (starting with the example of Jesus Christ Himself) have been crucified, stoned to death, thrown to the lions, etc. It’s part of the territory.


26 posted on 04/08/2009 8:22:53 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: tacticalogic

Theories are fallible. God’s Word is infallible. Therefore, God’s Word is not a theory.


27 posted on 04/08/2009 8:28:12 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Therefore, God’s Word is not a theory.

Though human's interpretation of that Word is notoriously so.
28 posted on 04/08/2009 8:29:52 PM PDT by Phileleutherus Franciscus
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To: GodGunsGuts
Theories are fallible. God’s Word is infallible. Therefore, God’s Word is not a theory.

Do you want to engage this as science or not? If you're going to demand that theories have to explain why, then your explanations should have to go on the table and be subject to the same criticism as everyone elses.

29 posted on 04/08/2009 8:32:22 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

The Bible is not a theory. But scientists can use information from the Bible to formulate theories with respect to physical evidence for a biblical cosmology, a young earth, the flood, the created kinds, etc. But the Bible itself is not a theory.


30 posted on 04/08/2009 8:38:47 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Who knew? That Ole Time Evolution draws the heathen to Christ! No wonder Darwin has been sainted!


31 posted on 04/08/2009 8:41:04 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

I knew the liberal denominations were trampling each other to see who can make the best apology to the Bearded Buddha of Naturalism, but I didn’t know they went and sainted him!


32 posted on 04/08/2009 8:46:24 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 04/08/2009 8:52:16 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

Your research skills are lacking.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2176781/posts?page=32#32


34 posted on 04/08/2009 8:53:57 PM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet; count-your-change

Oh, I see, he was sainted by eugenicist scientists. Makes sense.


35 posted on 04/08/2009 9:04:25 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DevNet
Feb 01, 2009 — The celebrations in honor of Charles Robert Darwin for his 200th birthday (Feb. 12) and the 150th anniversary of the publication of his influential book On the Origin of Species by Natural Selection (Nov. 29th) are well underway.

Hey, at least we can ditch the ridiculous "common era" crap and go back to AD now. After Darwin.

36 posted on 04/08/2009 9:07:03 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: tacticalogic
That's going to submit the Bible as theory. Are you sure you want to do that?

The veracity of the Bible should be tested by reason. Just as the veracity of the scientific method should be reason.

Those who reject using "mere reason" or using "philosophy" to figure our where they place their trust, should reject science. As without using reason, there can be no justification for trusting it. After all the lower animals don't.

People who dillegently study the scientific method, and take the time to really understand it, usually accept it as a good way to understand the particulars of nature--within limits of what we can test.

People who dillegently study the Christian Bible, and take the time to really understand it, usually accept it as the inspired word of God.

Both pursuits are based on both faith and reason.

Perhaps they can occasionaly give each other support, but neither disipine should be limited to the structure of the other.

37 posted on 04/08/2009 9:20:43 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’d say from the adoration given Darwin on his b-day Sainting may be too mild a word, but I am trying to be the new and improved Voice...never mind. i don’t want to drive anyone away by jabbing Chuck in the eye.


38 posted on 04/08/2009 9:29:24 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Eugenicist scientist, a.k.a., devotees of Molech.


39 posted on 04/08/2009 9:35:05 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Look here (and "places" similar) for a possible source of formation of cancerous growths? Just an idea...doubt it's original.

40 posted on 04/08/2009 10:00:38 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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